I love the blues.
You now have my interest. Let me know how it goes.
( girlinthehole, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 14:38, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

Oh, don't worry
I probably won't be able to stop rabbiting about it on Monday.

It will be a shame to miss out on the beautiful sunny weather we're supposed to get on Sunday, but hopefully it will be worth such a sacrifice.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 14:40, Reply)

in all the studio work I've ever done
we've never put a bass through an amp. it's always D.I.'ed. you'd never know.

just to reassure you, like.
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:00, Reply)

Yeah, having read some positive reviews of this pod, I'm less worried
But still sceptical.

Basically the sound I want is something similar to John Entwistle's sound on the The Who's Substitute, but then I've played through plenty of bass amps which are designed not to distort and found them equally frustrating, so I'm probably getting unnecessarily het up about this.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:04, Reply)

line6 stuff is the shit
honest. although i can only speak from experience with their guitar stuff...
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:10, Reply)

Really?
Our guitarist went through a Line6 Spider once and it sounded fucking terrible. The clean sound had absolutely nothing going for it.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:12, Reply)

i don't know about live
but their pedals are good, and for studio use they're very handy.

i used a line6 PODxt before (the rack version) and that was awesome.

Having said that, Meshuggah use Line6 racks going straight into a PA live, and they sound fucking immense.
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:53, Reply)

Line6 are all about effects
not clean sound

for clean you need valves. fact.

I've used the pod for effects on the guitar before, and never really found it that satisfying. Better distortions from my marshall, or my boss pedal, delay isn't quite right etc.

can't help much with bass recording though, we have a double bass and used DI from the piezo pickup and two room mikes.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:55, Reply)

I use guitar rig at home
that's pretty damn good at everything except really distorted stuff.
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:59, Reply)

I suspect that my issue stems from going into the pod
and then into the mixing desk, rather than experiencing the effects through an amp or PA. I could never get it sounding meaty enough.

The phaser/flanger and all that work nicely, but the rest just didn't do it for me.

I'm not big on using effects other than distortion and delay for the most part though (using them myself that is, I like to listen to them)

I've gone old school now and use a fender valve amp, a boss blues driver and a boss delay pedal. glorious sounds!
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:02, Reply)

i concur
although i'm lacking in funds for valve amps at the moment. spent all my money on bass stuff!
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:06, Reply)

it's unbelievable how nice the clean sound on a valve amp is
well, a decent one anyway.

I run an american Strat through a fender blues junior and it sounds beautiful.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:08, Reply)

an american Strat through a fender blues junior and it sounds beautiful the B3ta bumlords club - would you care to join?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 17:08, Reply)

I feel somewhat maligned on the bass guitar
Probably from my bad (and very limited) studio experience when the 'engineer' clearly couldn't be arsed and just plugged me straight into the desk and compressed the sound to fuck. Supposedly this Pod models amps, so if I can talk it into modelling a slightly overdriven bass head through a couple of nice 15" speakers, we'll get along fine. If not, I may have to have a massive flounce.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:01, Reply)

edit: what I put here before was wrong. what you say should be pretty much achievable but
you might be better off getting them to model an amp in the mixing software, that way you can record a dry signal and then piss about with it more in production.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:03, Reply)

This is true
Although it may be a little off-putting if we're recording 'as live.'

My main concern is the song in which the bass is the lead instrument, but maybe I'll just to have to ask them to turn me up in the monitors and then, as you suggest, piss about with it afterwards.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:05, Reply)

I did it with my guitar last time we recorded
DI into the desk, through a hastily chosen, but suitable amp model in Logic, so I could hear it in the headphones/monitors, then ran the signal back out through my real amp afterwards.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:06, Reply)

This is also an option, I guess
We're planning to blitz through everything and take it all home to mix on our drummer's computer, so I could always just get a decent take of everything and then run the signal back through my Laney afterwards.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:08, Reply)

it's definitely worth considering
although you would need to get at least a couple of mikes on your amp to make sure you capture it nicely.

means you can loop it back through your amp and fiddle with the settings while it is playing which is pretty handy.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:09, Reply)

Normally with a bass amp
I believe it's enough to get a mike in front of the speaker and probably a line out from the preamp. Might try and get a room mic in place for the solo though!
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:15, Reply)

yeah, that sounds good.
there's nothing worse than recording and not being happy with the sound, which is why I recommend recording it DIed. Gives you more options after the fact
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:17, Reply)

I couldn't afford the Line 6 one
I had to go for the Behringer Bass V-Amp. It's pretty good, but I imagine that Line 6 is so good it sucks you off while you're playing.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 15:13, Reply)

my experience is that the behringer and line 6 stuff are much the same

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:03, Reply)

behringer stuff is arse
fact.
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:06, Reply)

I bow to your superior experience
as mine is limited
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:07, Reply)

It's not pro equipment I'll give you that
and their monitor speakers were shit compared the Fostex ones I ended up buying. BUT. For a very basic home studio set up it sounds good and is a fraction of the price of other equipment.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:10, Reply)

did I get you to listen to the stuff my mate and I recorded a while back?
and if so, or even if not, did you see that I posted a link to the second part?

would be interested to hear your horrible abuse on the back of it
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:12, Reply)

send me a link to both parts and I'll listen to them now.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:16, Reply)

only got one online at the moment
as had to use yousendit due to the size
link

edit: stupid https

this is part 2. It's a mere 27 minutes. part 1 was 38 I think.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:18, Reply)

Are there websites where you can host mp3s in the same way you can host photos on flickr?

(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:24, Reply)

like myspace?
indeed, but the files are too big because it's 27 min piece of music
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:26, Reply)

I meant something better than myspace
is that your only option?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:29, Reply)

Who played the drums?
or did you use a machine?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:30, Reply)

I'm glad I saved the money then

(Bazongaloid, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:07, Reply)

you'd be amazed
what sort of good stuff you can pick up second hand these days. my housemate is continually buying and selling new bits of PA equipment when better stuff comes along.
(beanojam isn't really Ricardo Flange, Thu 22 Apr 2010, 16:29, Reply)