For the record
I was paying for my kids, when the CSA got involved they wanted about 1/3rd what I had been paying. I continued to pay more. Until the ex stopped me seeing the kids out of revnge for the simple fact that I had left her. as for the comment above that I shouldn't have dragged her through the courts and should hav behaved like an adult, mate, get a life. I did have kids with someone that I intended to spend the rest of my life with. but circumstances changed. to cut a long story short, and when cash and possessions became all she thought about, I eventually decided enough was enough.

"Of course, you could try not being an utterly shit human being in the future. I mean, you can't change the fact that you have been a prick up until this point, but you can decide to stop being a prick now and face up to the mess you've made of your life, your children's lives and their mother's life." why do you assume I am a shit human being? all I have ever tried to do was what's best for my kids, and that included the decission to leave, I felt, and still do feel, that that was best for them. I have never refused to pay what I have been asked, I usually offer towards Christmas presents and school uniforms. I chip in with cash whenever it is appropriate. so why do you think I'm a shit human being? as for me making amess of my children's lives, all I wanted was to be involved in their lives, and the only way I could do that was to go to court to get access!

Most people here seem to assume that I am worthless because my marriage failed, thanks for that.

The cruel fact is that the old system worked better. Single mothers were not abandoned to fend for themselves, they received benfits, just as they do now. the huge difference was that there was a balance. if the guy didn't pay, she could with hold access. If she with held access he could with hold paymnet. the huge problem with the CSA (Cunts) is that they removed this balance. I admit it was not perfect but it worked better than the current system. Now if parent with care with holds access the only option is court. I know of one case where a guy took his ex to court 47 times. all the court can do is ask her to be reasonable. if she nods her head and goes away from court she can just carry on as before. there is too much power in one parties hands.

the other problem is that the CSA (Cunts) are beyond beleif at how inefficient they are. for a simple example last year my assesment was that I had to pay £450 a month on the 22nd. I explained that I get paid on the 25th, so could they do the collection on the 27th (to allow for weekends etc). no problem they said. in that case it will be £425 a month. dispite all my arguemnts and letters they could /would not accept that they were wrong. so I paid £425. I also Paid other monies direct, in excess of the Addditonal £25. about six months ago the CSA (cunts) phoned me and told me I had been paying the wrong amount and I now had to pay them an additional £200 immediately. If I refused or was unable to pay immediately they would approach my employer and take the money out of my next salary
and charge me for the privaledge. As an aside to that story after I had agreed for them to take the payment on the 27th they continued to try to take it on the 22nd. because I didn't have the money, because it was just before payday, and they had told me they would do it on the 27th, I got hit hit by bank charges for returned payments and the ex didn't get her money. when I asked the CSA why they were taking payment on 22nd not 27th they said "well we can take it up to 5 days before. so we did" they fuck up and take too little money, ooh, I get pay the difference. they fuck up and charge me too much? tough shit you should have checked the calculation.
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 9:44, 1 reply)

So, you're sulking because you want to see your children but not actually provide for them?

( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 11:59, closed)

Dur!
trying reading what I have put.

I do pay, always have paid and will continue to pay. even while being denied access. and more than the CSA (cunts) say I should. and before the CSA (cunts) were involved I was paying. in fact I was paying around £1,000 a month for them. was never a bone of contention. the former Mrs strokes thought she could get more on top of that so went to the CSA (cunts). who said I should be paying around £250. which I pay, plus I pay towards other stuff as well.
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 12:16, closed)

Mate, I tried reading what you've put, but it doesn't half go on.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 12:56, closed)

Sorry 'bout that

(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 14:08, closed)

From the CSA website...
"In the 12 months to June 2010 we received 23,600 complaints. This is a reduction of 12.5% on the previous year, when we received just below 27,000 complaints."

23'600 complaints. Are you going to assume that they're all in error - that the CSA is a bastion of benevolence and efficiency which can do no wrong? Or is there any chance that a fair number of grievances with the CSA - quite possibly including the OP's, who has stated quite clearly that he's happy to pay his share - might well be justified?

Not that it matters, of course, given that you're only really here to be a dick. Why worry about little things like factual accuracy?
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 15:10, closed)

I'm surpised it's only 23,600
having spoken to some of the staff there, and there are some that do all they can to help, as well as some who do the opposite and some that simply don't care, they have told me that ALL of their adjustments are wrong. that everyone should complain. unfortunately whenever I find someone there who is helpful and does a good job they seem to elave. I wonder why. (and yes, it probably is my fault)
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Fri 22 Oct 2010, 15:44, closed)

Some will, some won't. As with most large institutions, they don't pay a great deal to the rank and file, and accordingly, do not attract the best and brightest. You'll mainly be dealing with the remedial subsection of lower-tier jobseekers. You'll get the odd nice one - the law of averages demands as much - but in the main, you'll be met with incompetence, bureaucracy, and disinterest.

Aside from which - you shouldn't have had to put up with this bunch of workshy failures making fun of your problems. If you're doing the best you can for your kids, despite the difficult circumstances - good luck to you.
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 2:35, closed)

Thanks
Also, to be fair they have been put in an horrendous position, working for a government department that every one hates with an inefficient system. they have to talk to hundreds of people each day who are probably at the lowest point in their lives. and deal with people who are being stopped from seeing their kids. so any of them that half a brain leave, you'd have to be some sort of sadist to enjoy that job.
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 12:13, closed)

Mrs vinegar strokes here, been reading this barrage of shite, just to make things clear, this is a man that provides for his kids, quite happily, went to court for the simple reason the ex wouldn't let him see them despite trying to be amicable. Some dads walk away. I was beaten by my ex, ended up walking away, with the kids, lived in a hostel before finding somewhere to rent. My ex has paid £20 in 18 months towars upkeep for the kids. Plus his visits are intemittent.
Relationships flounder, and fizzle out, doesn't make you a bad person, makes you human. If you are an adult, you make things as smooth as you can.

Vinegar strokes went to court as a last resort-either that, or his ex wouldn't let him see kids as he dared to leave. As for money, he has no worries about paying support. He takes them on holiday once a year, takes them all out each fornight, cinema, meal, etc, anything they need, he buys. Csa, have taken money when they shouldn't. Taken different amounts from what they've said, miscalculated, left him with bank charges, etc.

Believe me, I know bad dads, this is not a bad dad. This is just someone who is pointing out the failures of this government agency. I'm stumped if i can see where he has said he doesn't want to support his kids?
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 12:23, closed)

You do realise you're trying to justify yourself and your fella to a board full of trolls, don't you?

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 15:45, closed)

I do
But I thought some of the users here were better than just attacking everyone for everything. Some people ought to go back to 4Chan.

PS Mrs Strokes has fucked off back to Sicki
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 16:40, closed)

my question would be
why are YOU worried about factual accuracy when you know that he doesn't give two shits and is only here to wind you lot up?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 16:54, closed)

I'm not in the least bit worried.
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 17:42, closed)

well yes obviously it is a turn of phrase, i do not think that you are actually having a panic attack or anything

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 17:43, closed)

That's good
I wouldn't want you to worry.
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 17:54, closed)

you are very caring

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Sat 23 Oct 2010, 17:55, closed)