Shouldn't that be "FUJIAR"?
Or "FUJIAAR", if you want to do away with the apostrophe?

Anyway, resurgent Tory right is the only rebuttal I feel compelled to offer, at this stage. It ought to be a fine time for the Labour Party to rally around Corbyn in order to offer some genuine opposition, but we can all see how unlikely that is. A real shame - if they cosied up to the Scots, they could probably defeat the government at every vote.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:05, 2 replies)

Labour ceased to be the party of the "working man" a long time ago.
Now it's split down the middle with Socialist Worker beardies on one side and Blairite Tories on the other, when what the country really needs is an effective opposition somewhere in between.
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:09, closed)

I reckon we'll see an actual, proper split in the Labour Party, sometime soon.
That'll be the end of it, and either the Greens or LibDems will have to pick up the pieces. Or Nicola Sturgeon can begin a quiet coup.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:12, closed)

The fact that the British populace has soundly rejected Labour's socialism since the 1970s
should tell you everything you need to know about the British being part of Europe's Grand Socialist Project. And since the LibDem's completely betrayed the current generation of university-goers in 2010, they don't stand a chance in hell either.

Simple fact is, the old don't want to pay for anyone else any more, and the young are too lazy and self-absorbed to bother voting at all, which is why both the national elections and this referendum turned out the way it did.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:10, closed)

We might have had a very different government if the LibDems had bothered to push for a vote on full PR, rather then settling for AV.
The British people might not be ready for a full fat Socialist Workers Utopia, but there's plenty who are more left leaning then our parliament would have you believe.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:16, closed)

PR would have led to a Tory-UKIP coalition from the last election.

(Baggenfrock get fucked, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:19, closed)

If you just transferred the numbers from the actual election to a hypothetical one, yes,
but you might have found that, with a different system in place, more people would have voted, and voted differently.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:22, closed)

might have, might not have, dear mm
you're arguing a hypothetical result based on might haves and maybes.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:26, closed)

probably, yes
but 13% of people voted UKIP when there was no real chance of them winning even a single seat. They might have got a much higher proportion of the vote had those votes actually counted (along with the greens and other mental parties).
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:29, closed)

Grrry is right to point out the futility of arguing "might have beens".

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:35, closed)

arguing "might have beens". EU membership
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:40, closed)

Yeah, we should have done this last week.

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:44, closed)

just sayin PR might not have been our salvation

(Baggenfrock get fucked, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:41, closed)

Grrry ought to point out the futility of arguing "might not have beens".

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:46, closed)

maybe
but until he does its all hypothetical
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:51, closed)

arguing "might not have putting ketchup on your baked
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:51, closed)

Food threads belong on Off Topic, sunshine.

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:58, closed)

it's too late to discuss should-have-beans now, monster munch

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 11:00, closed)