I think the best sollution would be to take their goverment out of power and put in place our own one, using western values.
That has worked so well in the past, we might aswell do it again.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:48, archived)

There's a huuuuge big spectrum between invading a sovereign nation because it has antiquated and obnoxious laws
and being too fucking cowardly to condemn it for having antiquated and obnoxious laws.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:49, archived)

Are you saying it's a bad thing to want the whole world to respect human rights?
Or equating that with imperialism?
( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:49, archived)

this
without the sarcasm
(negative armadillo There never was much hope..just a fool's hope., Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:50, archived)

Especially as it would mean we'd spend shitloads of the taxpayers' money on it
and would therefore cut back our spending on povvos' education and healthcare.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:50, archived)

Good.
Our povvos are already far better off than most of the rest of the world and favouring them exclusively would be enormously selfish.

Edit: I'd rather cut back on our outsourced civil middle-managers' lunch money and our thugs' Trident submarines, of course.
( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:54, archived)

How dare this country look after it's own !

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:03, archived)

*ponders use of the word "thug"*

( The Baroness The Harlot Pimpernel, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:07, archived)

you know, army people.

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:16, archived)

Yes
I was disappointed.

I know many men and women who either are in the forces or have been in the forces.

I can't say I've ever thought of any of them as thugs.
( The Baroness The Harlot Pimpernel, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:22, archived)

Funny how they signed up to a career of killing people then,
but I doubt I'm going to bring you round on this one.
( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:24, archived)

Oh christ......
You seriously belive that, don't you?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:27, archived)

That if you don't have thuggish mentality, it's funny you should want to join the army?
Yes.
Note that I didn't say everyone in the army is a thug, just that I think it's funny anyone else should join.
( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:30, archived)

What about things like Medics?
I think it's actualy a very small part of the army that actualy kills people.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:33, archived)

Oh god 90nz, I actually have to agree with you on something
The world is ending.
( The Baroness The Harlot Pimpernel, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:39, archived)

My good female friend who is in the army has never shot at anyone
She's in admin. How is that thuggish?

You mean "infantry".

And when was the last time anyone killed anyone from a trident sub?

I'm glad we had this conversation, I've realised that you're a very blinkered man.
( The Baroness The Harlot Pimpernel, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:38, archived)

Please take a few hours to read my post before replying to it.
I have no doubt that plenty of people in the army, perhaps most, are perfectly nice people. I think it's funny that perfectly nice people join armies.

What I mean by 'it's funny' is "I don't understand it". I recognise this is something I don't understand, and I'd like to understand it. That's not blinkered.
( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:41, archived)

You say that you simply don't understand it, but you'd like to
And yet you referred to them, without provocation or even prior discussion. as "thugs".

My partner is in the RAF, he did not join up "to kill people", he has never killed anyone, he is part of the logistics and supply chain. He joined up because it was a very interesting career path, and the RAF paid for a lot of his qualifications, so that when he leaves the RAF in May, he can further his career in logistics.

There is simply nothing thuggish about his motivations.

Very, very few people join the armed forces "to kill people".

Those people were thugs before they joined, and will be thugs long after.
( The Baroness The Harlot Pimpernel, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:47, archived)

I'm sorry I called your boyfriend a thug.
I actually chose the word for its callousness, as I thought it flowed quite nicely from "povvos", another thoughtlessly and simplistically loaded word.

If your boyfriend is a nice peaceful chap, I still think it's funny that he's taken a career job sorry with an organisation that kills innocent people every day.
( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:51, archived)

...and many of those
part of their own organisation.
( evilstevie misses the Orange Place of late, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:53, archived)

Er, yes?

( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:54, archived)

I am grateful for the apology, although I imagine you offer it in a slightly patronising tone.
I can understand a joke and a word used for effect, and I realise I have overreacted, but I hear such comments made without humour so often I've become a bit overprotective.

EDIT: Aaaah, I knew it was too good to be true.

So, because of your political leanings, you look down upon anyone who takes any sort of job with the MOD. Good good.
( The Baroness The Harlot Pimpernel, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:56, archived)

i heard they also punch baby kittens too
:(
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:28, archived)

it isn't the taxpayers' money.
the taxpayers' money is what's LEFT. AFTER taxes.
( sleepybinky, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:58, archived)

Ooh, I like this.

( Newington, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:00, archived)

to be honest, i was expecting more of a stompy rant from other people.
but nevermind.
( sleepybinky, Wed 28 Nov 2007, 16:02, archived)