you wont win
Cardiff is not in the UK,

we disowned it.
(flipper is going to die in a bizarre gardenning accident, Sun 10 Jul 2011, 16:19, archived)

I like to think every city has its good bits, there wouldn't be a city without them, as the whole point of them is generally to house a huge population around and industry, which brings in wealth and luxories.
I can't say I've ever been to wales, but I think I would enjoy it, espesh if Gobs was there.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Sun 10 Jul 2011, 16:25, archived)

Just avoid Cardiff, Newport and Cwmbran
The rest of it IS quite nice.

You should go to Hay on Wye too, it is awesome.
(flipper is going to die in a bizarre gardenning accident, Sun 10 Jul 2011, 16:27, archived)

cardiff was in time magazine's top ten places to visit,
in a list of like, less well known places or something,
it is pure class, you'd love it.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Sun 10 Jul 2011, 16:30, archived)

i didn't realise that this discussion had anything to do with what country cardiff was in

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Sun 10 Jul 2011, 16:29, archived)