Whose benefits have been reduced?I think standard JSA and housing benefit are still the same (though there were some rumblings about changing the latter soon, I don't think it's happened yet). The threshold for what counts as disability was changed, I think, but is that all?
I'm not sure which publicly-funded jobs employ the unqualified. I don't think a vast number of unqualified workers have been sacked from employment by the government, but I might be wrong. I think in the riot-struck cities there is still plenty of shitwork in factories, and was even through the recession.
The rioting isn't happening the deprived areas of England, it's happening in the biggest cities.
Still, cuts make people generally cross. Cuts are a factor. Then you have to ask whether they're a thing to blame and regret, or not.
Like how if I go out dressed in an extraordinarily sexually provocative way and get raped, the way I dressed was a factor, but it's not to blame.
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Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:11,
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I'm not sure which publicly-funded jobs employ the unqualified. I don't think a vast number of unqualified workers have been sacked from employment by the government, but I might be wrong. I think in the riot-struck cities there is still plenty of shitwork in factories, and was even through the recession.
The rioting isn't happening the deprived areas of England, it's happening in the biggest cities.
Still, cuts make people generally cross. Cuts are a factor. Then you have to ask whether they're a thing to blame and regret, or not.
Like how if I go out dressed in an extraordinarily sexually provocative way and get raped, the way I dressed was a factor, but it's not to blame.
JSA is now EA? I think and the criteria are different and cuts to the amounts and thresholds have come in for some Lack of social care, support and education contributes to people developing a disrespect for society, police, etc. My suggestions before were possible factors that cause collective frustration and anger.
I work in social care just now and am constantly trying to encourage the kids I work with to respect the police and the law, but I often see that they don't give a fuck, because they don't have anything to aspire to. The kids that show the most potential to become model citizens are the ones I and others have managed to motivate to get jobs, though actually getting them jobs has been slow and very difficult. Others, where they have no prospects have a kind of learned helplessness and don't feel the need to adhere to any rules, be that a result of peers, upbringing, helplessness, lack of education, whatever. It is a wider societal problem that is at the moment being expressed by these riots. The problems need to be addressed by the government or things will only get worse.
(I work in social care just now and am constantly trying to encourage the kids I work with to respect the police and the law, but I often see that they don't give a fuck, because they don't have anything to aspire to. The kids that show the most potential to become model citizens are the ones I and others have managed to motivate to get jobs, though actually getting them jobs has been slow and very difficult. Others, where they have no prospects have a kind of learned helplessness and don't feel the need to adhere to any rules, be that a result of peers, upbringing, helplessness, lack of education, whatever. It is a wider societal problem that is at the moment being expressed by these riots. The problems need to be addressed by the government or things will only get worse.
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Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:26,
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I wasn't going to join inas I prefer to discuss weighty matters with people I know in real life.
I agree with some of your arguments but also empathise with Vagabond's point of view, and ultimately, like _Felix I think, I believe that there's a middle ground (please visit me on my fence sometime).
Anyway, all I reall wanted to add is that I think the last line of your post above is correct and verry very important.
(I agree with some of your arguments but also empathise with Vagabond's point of view, and ultimately, like _Felix I think, I believe that there's a middle ground (please visit me on my fence sometime).
Anyway, all I reall wanted to add is that I think the last line of your post above is correct and verry very important.
Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:41,
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I'm not sure what it means.I'm guessing "employ more people in public services" - right?
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Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:46,
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Not necessarily, and I don't have any quick answersBut I believe rhetoric from both government and opposition politicians achieves nothing and that long-term positive action (whatever that is) by government rather than negative quick-fixes is the way to make the current situation less rather than more likely in future.
( Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:57,
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