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# it rules through brute force,
yes.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:31, archived)
# is there any other way to rule?
accepting, as of course we must, that every single person alive is a fucking idiot.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:35, archived)
# or a wanking idiot.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:36, archived)
# that is more usual
yes.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:41, archived)
# ANd how old are you again?
I find it ironic that a country that BENT, not asked, suggested, or merely ENFORCED rule on others, nay I say BENT would have an opinion about America. We have always been the reluctant police of the world. The English conqoured and willfully oppressed countless countries and their generations for centuries.

And you have the audacity to call US dictators?

Fuck you.. fuck you twice on Sunday
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:42, archived)
# THE BRITISH...
not just the English...they are only a part of it!
(funkylins, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:43, archived)
# hehe.
i thought I had got completely out of it then.

/welsh
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:47, archived)
# Ahem.





zulus
(I helped save b3ta! charliedontsurf, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:54, archived)
# my entire family
would have been living in Belgium back then, from as recently as thirty years ago.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:55, archived)
# What, so the Boers had nowt to do with mass murder of
indigenous people then?

Aha! Check.
(I helped save b3ta! charliedontsurf, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:57, archived)
# Urm...
I've never killed hit or deliberately injured anyone.
And don't intend to.
MATE!
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:58, archived)
# But I want to blame all of your faults on
your ancestors and history! It's just not fair damn it!

*scatters board*
(I helped save b3ta! charliedontsurf, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:03, archived)
# reluctant maybe
but you can't deny the pay's good.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:44, archived)
# Oh heck no!
ANd I'm just arguing to argue.

I cannot deny that the US has had a big (and bad) hand in the ways of the world since the 2nd world war.

And I am tired of our troops being the peacemakers, and yours too. It HAS to be someone else's problem sometime.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:46, archived)
# then why shout at me
for saying america is a bit heavy handed if you agree?
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:48, archived)
# I dunno...
to sway we rule with an iron fist is crass, brazen audacity, and I balked.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:50, archived)
# he didn't say iron fist
he said brute force.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:51, archived)
# oh, i wasn't saying that it's entirely like that.
just a bit.
calm, breath.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:52, archived)
# arguing to argue?
no you're not.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:49, archived)
# so because when all my family lived in Belgium
England were being nasty to other countries,
I'm not allowed to comment on America being nasty to other countries?
Ok then.
And what do you mean by a country that BENT?Homosexual, or just messed up?
Because, yes, the british government is fairly screwed up, but don't compare them to homosexuals, please.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:46, archived)
# Indeed not...
I mean BENT THEIR WILL, as in enforced. On countless other nations, including ours.

It was called a revolution because it was "a new turn" you know, we were the first, others followed suit. I am sure the same will happen to us someday.

Oppression is nothing new, the English also suffered from the French, Spanish, and waaay back, the Romans.

If it wasn't us, it would be someone else. I would thank WHOMEVER that it IS the U.S. because at least we believe in the individual.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:49, archived)
# the individual right
to screw people?
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:49, archived)
# Are you from here?
Do you know? We give to other countries and screw ourselves countless times. DO you know it's easier to make it in this country if you are a NEW citizen rather than if you were born here?

EVERYONE in the world can come here and live, willingly, without threat of repraisal. Can I do that in GB? NO!

DO NOT talk about what you do not know about.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:52, archived)
# Cubans?
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:53, archived)
# we should never have given you septics independence
*lights blue touchpaper and retreats quickly
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:55, archived)
# *snigger*
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:56, archived)
# Cock off...
we won it.

And we would again.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:23, archived)
# Oh, you weren't the first ones to revolt.
The french had theirs about ten years before you.
(I helped save b3ta! charliedontsurf, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:56, archived)
# i agree.
the french are revolting.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:57, archived)
# not really talking about that
more that the government seems to set its policies by what's good for industry, rather than looking out for voters. "what's good for general motors is good for the usa", as someone once said. which has a kind of trickle-down logic to it - if industry is healthy then people have jobs and if they have jobs thy have money and if they have money they can feed themselves and provide themselves with money. it makes sense for a society for which money is the most important thing (and that's any capitalist society, not just america). however, like trickle-down economics it doesn't work because the people at the top are trying to keep hold of as much as they can. hence the loss of american jobs to cheaper, less protected latin americans/south-east asians. so the people at the top have the government on their side to screw the individual. which somehow doesn't seem fair.

also, if the credo of the states is 'anyone can achieve if they try hard enough' surely the logical outcome of that is that if you don't make it it's your fault. again, attacking the individual when so much of who we are comes from our social conditioning. i would not be the same person sat her on a computer talking to you had i gone to a different school - not just a better or a worse school, but a different one, with different people and different teachers. etc etc.

i'm actually boring myself with this, you know. not sure what you're on about with the 'everyone in the world can come ehre... without threat of reprisal' - could you clarify that please? as far as i was aware, you need some kind of visa.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:59, archived)
# well said.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:02, archived)
# by god it's tedious though.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:03, archived)
# truth.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:04, archived)
# "the truth is boring"
sounds like a good philosophy.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:05, archived)
# Oh no, not really..
what would happen if I came to GB just to visit and ended up staying?

I would be deported...

That does not happen here, because of what is written on the base of the Statue of Liberty:
"Give us your poor, your hungry, tired masses, yearning to breathe free."

WHAT AM I ON ABOUT?
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:03, archived)
# sorry, but you're wrong.
you do get thrown out from the us if you overstay your visa. ask justhere.
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:05, archived)
# good question.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:05, archived)
# in that case, what are
we to make of those militias of texans parading along the mexican border preventing immigrants entering the USA, then?

tell you what - i'll apply for US citizenship tommorow without a job or anywhere to go, and see how far i get. i'll let you all know how far i get.
(I helped save b3ta! 100% of Gibbon, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:09, archived)
# If you lived here
You would know what that is about.

And it is MUCH easier for an Illegal to disappear and live here than in GB.

You English are so smug sometimes.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:16, archived)
# does that have anything to do with america
being about 60 times bigger than the uk? and that the communication between states is sometimes less than full?
(martian, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:18, archived)
# i am sooooooooooooooo not going to repond to that.
(I helped save b3ta! 100% of Gibbon, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:20, archived)
# but then, believing in the indivvidual is a western thing
and perhaps the countries that believe in communism or whatever should be allowed to live like that.
Although it does have a tendency to mess up a bit and go currupt, but then so do all countries really.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:51, archived)
# And I wholeheartedly agree
Democarcy would not work for China.

Democracy would not work for Cuba.

Believe it or not, until WWII, our position was neutral.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:57, archived)
# doesn't look like it'll be neutral in WWIII though...
/stirs
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 17:59, archived)
# they are being a bit nasty
to any country wot didn't choose to go into iraq aren't they.
Shame.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:00, archived)
# Those who live in glass houses
should not throw stones.

It is a matter of power, and what one (nation) chooses to do with it.

History repeats itself, over, and over again.

Romans, English, Americans...

Perhaps the Chinese will be next.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:09, archived)
# perhaps they will.
don't blame me though.
All I can do is be appalled at what's happening around me, it's not me doing it, and there's not much I can do about it.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:25, archived)
# Unfortunately...
I agree. Our President seems very determined to get us killed. I imagine him alot like the cowboy in Dr. Strangelove.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Tue 22 Jul 2003, 18:00, archived)