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# brilliant!
property more important than life!
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:10, archived)
# thats not the point.
He shot him cos he believed his own life was in danger, not because he believed his house was in danger. Fair enough, he shot him in the back like you say, but do you really think that had he gone down unarmed, those two pikeys twats would have let him get away unhurt? would they fuck. theyd have kicked his fucking head in, just like the countless other fucking times you see in the paper. He had every right to defend himself by any means.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:13, archived)
# if he was scared for his life, and he was hiding,
he'd have stayed hidden until they came at him to kick his head in.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:15, archived)
# depends how you react to a situation like that.
I know that if i was being broken into, as scared shitless as id be, id still grab the nearest golf club and go down and make an attempt to get them out of my house. Bearing in mind the police are completely ineffectual.


Britain, the only country where you can get a pizza quicker than a police car.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:17, archived)
# you've
got golf clubs? you're a bit posh aren't you?
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# actually i have a golf club.
just the one. a pitching wedge. I fucking hate golf...
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:21, archived)
# then
why do you have it?
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:24, archived)
# "with intent to cause harm"
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:28, archived)
# exactly.
except you missed off "to the people that break into my house".
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:32, archived)
# well, I
ain`t cheapening this point

- I totally agree!

me and Pointy are the new Charles Bronsonsssss
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# " He had every right to defend himself by any means."
utter, utter shit.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:16, archived)
# you
leaving your door on the latch too then?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:17, archived)
# you're talking like i haven't had people break into my house
and threaten my with a meat cleaver.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# and you still want these fuckers to live?
still, to each his own eh?
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# yes.
because i'm civilised and don't believe in killing people.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:22, archived)
# well
what would you like to do then? honestly?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# have them caught and sentenced to a prison term/fine/rehabilitation
just because the law is shit doesn't mean we should resort to vigilanteeism.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:34, archived)
# fair enough
if you want your home, and property violated, that`s fine - can we have a system whereby people who don`t mind have green sticker on their door, and people who would do something about the fuckers have a blue sticker? that`d suit me fine
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:42, archived)
# why? because my opinion differs from your own?
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:18, archived)
# because he had a right to use
reasonable force; murder isn't very reasonable.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:21, archived)
# what
about shooting him in the arse, so he`d remember it as long as he lived?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:30, archived)
# "any means"
could he destroy belgium to protect his property?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:23, archived)
# oh for fucks sake, thats not what i meant and you know it.
you're just being argumentative now. any means within the constrains of that situation. If that involves taking a life to avoid the loss of his own, then so be it.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:25, archived)
# how was the kid going to kill him, exactly?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:28, archived)
# people have been beaten to death by attackers
using only their bare hands before now, so dont try to be so /pedantic.
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:39, archived)
# and who decides
who's life is worth more? can you?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# i think
the person who's defending themselves has more right to live. Providing the person was actually trying to kill them.
(I helped save b3ta! Lora, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:32, archived)
# no no no NO NO NO NO NO
every single person has the inalible right to life. you can't have more of a right to live than someone else.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:36, archived)
# everyone
has the right to life. But if a person tries to take someone else's life, then that person is quite justified to stop their attacker, if necessary by taking their life. In my opinion.
(I helped save b3ta! Lora, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:38, archived)
# ah!
but everybody has the right to life and the right to live! that`s the whole point - I`m never going to lock myself inside my house, with bars on the doors in case some wee cunt decides he likes the look of my telly
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:44, archived)
# Because.....?
Has a life that will do nothing but deliberately degrade the quality most other lives that they come into contact with got any value?

Surely you throw the rotten apple out of the barrel of life in order to preserve others?

Or does that rotten apple have the right to destroy or otherwise lessen the quality of every apple that it comes into contact with? If it's very existence is a cancer on society, get rid of it.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:48, archived)
# Well
I don't think anyone would think that a bad thing, really.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:26, archived)
# when you come up to edinburgh...
we can send you out to Sighthill, one of the cities more glamourous areas, for an evening. We'll see how long your commie pinkass liberal opinons last out there...;)
/joke
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:22, archived)
# is it worse than moss side, brixton or toxteth?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:25, archived)
# oh yes...
there is no dope there to mellow the vibe...

just Buckfast Tonic Wine...
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:27, archived)
# tonic wine?
gravy more like!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:30, archived)
# GRAVY OF HATE!!
www.bawbag.com/buckfast.php
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:33, archived)
# I`m so
glad I didn`t start drinking as a teenager in Belfast - Buckfast is the stuff of legends
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:45, archived)
# I stand with you on this and I can't be arsed to argue
going to bed cos of long hard days work. Remember that, we work for a living, hard work and if any cunt decides he's gonna steal from me then I'll shoot the fucker too !

This Country is already fucked up by do-gooders and people who support the perpitrators rather than victims. Backward assed bullshit. Discipline discipline discipline.

End of chat.
(I helped save b3ta! koit WWW.HIGHASAKOIT.CO.UK, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:18, archived)
# I would
marry you if you weren`t so male


do another song - soon! (please)
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# "do-gooders"
as opposed to "do-badders" who you're generally in favour with?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# The do-badders
hopefully all get shot in the back when fleeing from the scene of the crime, so they don't count.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:27, archived)
# wait a minute
just because he told the court he shot him because he believed his life was in danger, doesn't necessarily make it fucking so.

he was trying to stay out of jail at the time.

anyway, the minute he went and illegally bought a pump action shotgun he became a bigger threat to human life than any housebreaker ... maybe I should have gone round and stoved his head in with a shovel in case he shot me?
(I helped save b3ta! coco, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:21, archived)
# But there's a difference
he was a threat to the life of lowlife criminal scum.

The little turd that got popped was a threat to every single innjocent person that he decidde to victimise on that particular night.

I know who I'd rather be alive now.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:24, archived)
# why don't you just tell us who the "lowlife criminal scum" are
and then we can kill them all now, and we'll only have nice people left.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# I don`t think we`re
talking about killing - we`re talking about doing something - as the justice system is a farce
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:46, archived)
# tony martin should counter sue that pikey twunt
because by breaking into his house, he breached his human rights of privacy
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:14, archived)
# My property
is far far more important that any scumbag criminal's life, yes.

Hell, something I step in is worth more than the lives of those victimising, evil little turds.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:14, archived)
# I love you
well not really, but you get the point that I stand with you side by side. Well not really side by side cos you're probably taller than me or summat.

Hell, I'm tired.
(I helped save b3ta! koit WWW.HIGHASAKOIT.CO.UK, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)