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# pirates of the carribean is the best, isn't it?
so's dubbin. i reckon pirates like dubbin
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:20, archived)
# Well...
...that's the thing to listen to when in the Caribbean, isn't it?
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:21, archived)
# yes
yous are quite right!
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:22, archived)
# yeah
they like dublin...whitby...lowerstoft...any dock town really....
(I helped save b3ta! Tyronne Get To Falkirk, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:21, archived)
# why does no one in port royale sound jamaican?
why isn't there more wickedness in port royale?
why does the royal navy only actually have two ships?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:23, archived)
# well
its 50% more than we have now...what with them being run aground and stuff....
(I helped save b3ta! Tyronne Get To Falkirk, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:25, archived)
# becasue...
...it's before Jamaicans were invented.

The wickedness was going on behind the cameras.

They have lots, but the rest are invisible.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:26, archived)
# I knew there were perfectly
reasonable explanations for it all.

Any idea on the cap'n swan accent ?

(Pan Dimensional Mouse Currently existing in 13 dimensions as of, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:27, archived)
# Well...
Cap'n Swan was based on the only REAL known Pirate Captain, Morgan.. so, English.. Cockney, to be exact.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:38, archived)
# ah, but port royale was so very wicked
that they shouldn't have been able to hide the sinfulness! it was the most wicked place on the face of the earth, which was why it sunk into the sea.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:27, archived)
# This kind of discrepancy...
...is exactly why I have decided to switch to vikings.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:29, archived)
# Cos
the navy had been working on...
(I helped save b3ta! Tyronne Get To Falkirk, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:28, archived)
# he he he
loveleee
(I helped save b3ta! Pootle, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:46, archived)
# them sounds like mutinous words, me hearty
you'd better watch out if you don't want to be walking the plank
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:27, archived)
# i read that in geoffrey rush's voice,
but you don't sound very much like geoffrey rush.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:28, archived)
# Why would they sound Jamaican?
They would still sound British almost 400 years ago.

And The Royal British Navy was ALWAYS hesitant about sending too many ships to the area, because they were quite expensive to build.

I have an answer for everything, except for why chicken tastes like everything...

strange, huh?
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:28, archived)
# well,
they should have been english rather than british, and certainly not flying union jacks. well, the jamaican accent had to come from somewhere, so why did no one (even any extras) sound proto-jamaican? and it'd be nice to have more than two ships, especially when port royale was such a key colony. and how come, despite having two warships and a fort, they couldn't manage to sink the black pearl at the start, which was a normal ship (only the crew were cursed - they made a hole in it with forks later)?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:31, archived)
# I thought this level of plot-holing...
...was usually reserved for Star Trek movies.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:33, archived)
# the thing is,
i really loved that film. both times i saw it.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:34, archived)
# I did too...
But you're a bit anal, like the rest of us *cough* nerds, and you notice crap like that.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:39, archived)
# i love pirates so much,
that i demand factitude!
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:42, archived)
# I posted something for ya
up above.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:45, archived)
# annnnd
what was the bloke with the little tank from allo allo doing 300 yrs earlier working on the docks for johnny depp to steal his bag of gold.....
(I helped save b3ta! Tyronne Get To Falkirk, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:34, archived)
# Looking for sailors.
What else?
(Astatine, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:35, archived)
# There WOULD BE no Jamaicans
because all the blacks were still slaves.

Remember, Jamaican is a mix between African and English.

Why would they not be flying Union Jacks? When was the Union Jack instituted? ALAS, I HAVE seen a problem in this movie.. MOST of the Carribean was Spanish owned, not English at all at the time of the Pirates (BlackBeard.. aka Captain Morgan).
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:35, archived)
# so the slaves couldn't talk, you say?
they'd still have had accents, surely.

and the act of union between england and scotland wasn't passed until 1709, and it was a while longer for the union jack to be agreed on, much less sent to the far corners of the navy. now, the golden age of piracy in the carribean was the 1620s to the 1680s, with the last pirates being picked off not long after. the film suggests that it's set towards the end of that period, but i wouldn't think that late to have the british.

port royale had been an english colony since about 1640, and i think it had been a spanish colony (with a different name). hhhmmm, i don't think morgan and blackbeard were the same person - henry morgan led the sack of panama, the wealthiest city in the new world, and it's burning led to the spanish decline in the carribean and got him made governer of jamaica.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:41, archived)
#
Blackbeard = Edward Teach

Or something similar.
(I helped save b3ta! verbal, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:42, archived)
# Acccording to this article I'm reading
Port Royale and the rest of Jamaica was under English rule since 1655.

Thank you for the history of the Union Jack.. I did not know that.

What was the flag before then?
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:44, archived)
# Before that....
England had the St George cross, Scotland had the St Andrews Saltire. In fact these countries still use those flags till this day.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:47, archived)
# yeah, but the scottish navy didn't really get up to much.
still, well done for having a gamble on that darien business. at least you tried!
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:49, archived)
# he he he...
...I meant general use there - not specifically nautical ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:51, archived)
# It would have sucked
to have been a Scottish Pirate...

Kilts
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:53, archived)
# Nothing wrong...
...with a healthy sea breeze around your rigging.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:54, archived)
# my history of the union jack is largely false.
bob's right, it was just the king's flag (and so used by the royal navy), later adopted by the country.

i would imagine that before they were british, the english navy would just have used the flag of saint george.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:48, archived)
# The Union Jack...
...was first developed in 1606, but the diagonal red stripes were not added until 1801 when Ireland became part of the UK.

I don't know when it was first flown on a ship though.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:42, archived)
# of course,
it would have been developed sooner, because of the union of the crowns (i'm a fool). but they'd have been english, not british, because it was still a little early for that, although they might have flown the union jack, yes.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:43, archived)
# I didn't pay much attention to the fine detail of the film...
...but did the flags flown have the red cross of St Patrick?
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:44, archived)
# didn't
look.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 19:49, archived)
# Checked the trailers on the official website...
...and there is definitely a Union Jack sans St Patrick cross.

Yay for little bits of historical accuracy.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Wed 3 Sep 2003, 20:02, archived)