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# My new snazzy Linux install:
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:11, archived)
# very nice!
recursive tigers also, I like them ;)
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:16, archived)
# If you would like to try something new,
then try Mandrake Linux 9.0
It's very cool and snazzy!
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:18, archived)
# What distro
is that mate?
(I helped save b3ta! TooMuch2AM, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:17, archived)
# Mandrake 9.0
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:23, archived)
# Oooh! Do I smell Gnome?
Which distro did you go for?
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:17, archived)
# that's
kde, isn't it?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:17, archived)
# Just KDE
I installed it yesterday and haven't been tweaking it yet...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:19, archived)
# looks nice
even if linux isn't for me
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:17, archived)
# I may not like Gimp
but I do Linux/Unix now and again.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:19, archived)
# suse7.3 was a big fat bitch on my machine
crashed constantly, and took four installations in a week before i gave up
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:21, archived)
# RedHat is usually my preferred distro
though I have been known to BSD from time to time.
And my Win2K is fully Cywin-ed up.

Tried Opera yesterday - quite nice.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:25, archived)
# what's the point of cywin?
windows has its own GUI, so why use X?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:28, archived)
# But the
Windows GUI smells
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:31, archived)
# in the end i couldn't be arsed with the whole
it'd make stuff slower, and decided to lump for style xp and make my machine pretty like a mac (but not quite as pretty)
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:34, archived)
# I don't use X - bit slow
but cygwin means I don't have to rewrite stuff I get sent from unix dweebs.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:33, archived)
# I installed Mandrake 8.0
without too much hassle - still had hassle with the soundcard (an old ISA AWE32)
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:30, archived)
# it installed fine
but then kept crashing all the time
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:33, archived)
# Mate of mine swears by Mandrake
He managed to spill a cup of coffee into the guts of it and it didn't even crash.
He attributes this to Mandrake.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:36, archived)
# if i ever have another go
i'll try mandrake then
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:38, archived)
# The difference
between 8.2 and 9.0 is very big!
Please get 9.0! The new graphics are cool, but it also runs like a dream, and that's what we're after? Huh?
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:44, archived)
# No point in trying to
download ISOs on this line.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:48, archived)
# Sorry mate!
Is it totally imposible to get DSL there?
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:50, archived)
# Unless I want to pay around €400 for setup
and €3,000 a month. See www.eircom.ie for charges and www.eircomtribunal.com for the campaign.
It's pretty much monopoly abuse.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:01, archived)
# That's insane!
8(
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:08, archived)
# Tell me about
it - I have considered leaving Ireland on may occasions to follow the interweb...
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:16, archived)
# Seriously?
8O
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:18, archived)
# Yup - sometimes
I hear the UK b3tans talking about the DSL and I think "I could live there..."
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:34, archived)
# haha..
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:39, archived)
# but no tattyshop
and no mspaint!
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:48, archived)
# I'll not be without my windows,
but for me it's important to know what's happening in the world of Linux...
As it is now Linux is more a server-thing than it's a workstation...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:55, archived)
# yeah
that's what's made me stick with windows for the mo, i don't need a server
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:57, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
I like that.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:44, archived)
# I kid ye not
the tale goes he had the lid off and knocked a cup off the desk straight in!

I'm amazed it didn't short out.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:55, archived)
# Get a copy of 9.0!
I'm quite sure it'll be a success...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:35, archived)
# i may not like linux
but i've got a gimp
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:32, archived)
# Is he asleep?
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:34, archived)
# Bring out the gimp!
*tap tap tap tap tap*
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:42, archived)
# It could be something for you!
You could make an extended partition with a swap and ext2 partition and run it on the same machine as your windows...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:22, archived)
# i did
but it kept fecking up, and wasn't terribly friendly. but i'm the one person on earth of xp works properly for.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:23, archived)
# XP is the best MS OS yet
and I don't know why people complain like they do...
This Mandrake 9.0 here runs like a dream! I had 8.2 installed some weeks ago and it was working fine too, but this 9.0 is far better! So far! Everything is fast and flawless...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:25, archived)
# it works lovely on my machine which it was preinstalled on
but it made a horrible mess of the downstairs one. it seems to be good when bundled with a new machine, but i wouldn't upgrade to it on an existing computer
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:27, archived)
# I do like XP, but it has to
be tweaked to work for my taste of it...
And it's quite important to use NTFS for optimal performance...
Machines under 500 MHz and 128 MB of RAM is not a good idea...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:33, archived)
# this is true
i've got 1ghz and 112megs ram (yes, i know), and it really could be faster, but i'm too poor to upgrade at the mo
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:35, archived)
# Beef it up so
you have at least 512 MB and you'll be happy!
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:39, archived)
# I want a big bastard PC
but I can't afford it yet.
Soon I shall buy I big fuck-off G4 tower with OSX Server and network all my stuff up, oh yes!
they will all bow to me, oh yes, they shall bow
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:43, archived)
# I've never really tried
a Mac, so I don't know what I'm missing...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:00, archived)
# Used them from 87-95
And now they're Unix based, I think I should re-indulge!
They're sexy too.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:08, archived)
# They do look good
and UNIX is old and well tested and in constant development...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:20, archived)
# Penny-Arcade had a great cartoon on this
There's probably problems in the coding techniques at MS, but I refrain from comparing the maturity of a 7 yr old OS to an 11 yr old kernel based on a 30 yr old OS.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:30, archived)
# An oldie but a goodie
Windows - A 32 bit extension and graphical shell,
for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally
coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a
2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:35, archived)
# hahahahahaha...
you grouchy IT you
8D
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:38, archived)
# Yeah, right -
I'm an envelope stuffer by trade...
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:40, archived)
# There are annoyances I have with it
I have to admit, but I'm too good with it and a bit shit with Unix (though I can make symbolic links!) to make a swap.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:39, archived)
# Ever read
"In The Beginning Was The Command Line?" If not I recommend it - a must for all tech heads.
It mentions a Dilbert cartoon with a dark, bearded figure - The Unix Op. He flips a nickel at Dilbert and says "Get a real OS, kid."
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:43, archived)
# I know that one! I know it!
He's cool. And wears braces.
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:44, archived)
# Read the book?
It's available from Cryptonomicon - I read it at work one day when the proxy went down.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:49, archived)
# Not read it
but I'm aware of it.
Currently attempting The Cathedral and The Bazaar. And The Hacker Ethic.
and neural networks for pattern recognition...
(I helped save b3ta! bigdave, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:58, archived)
# one of two people actually
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:25, archived)
# Here's stuff about Mandrake 9.0:
www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/products/2393
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 21:51, archived)
# Or this
thereg clicky
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:05, archived)
# Hmmm...
He had quite a different experience, but I'm still very satisfied with my install...
I'm quite used to installing whatever with success, so I might be too positive about it...
Hmmm...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:16, archived)
# Well, that article
was more about novice users moving from Windoze.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:31, archived)
# I also read it that way,
but it's a shame if it scares people away...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:38, archived)
# Indeed, but that's
just the way the OS is - it is a different style with a different heritage.
The reason Windoze wins on the ease of use stakes is it is a commercial OS and has to have mass appeal - even at the expense of functionality and reliability.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:43, archived)
# The Linux thing is not
good at selling itself. It's not as good as windows as a everybody-is-able-to-use-it-workstation, but as a server it's far more flexable than NT-servers!
But in a few years Linux will be used far more as workstations and I want to be on that train if I'll have any chance in the IT-world...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:51, archived)
# I'd love a proper
Linux workstation - I know people who use nothing else. From what I've used of it it is a far more competent and intuitive workstation experiance than windoze. I never have gotten a fully functional system together myself, but distros are becoming better at hardware detection etc. all the time.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 22:54, archived)
# I've had problems
with soundcards and NIC's many times, but this mandrake 9.0 here just found everything!
Yeah!
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 23:01, archived)
# Fancy sending me
a copy? - I'll pay all charges - see me in m3ss3nger if you like...
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 23:02, archived)
# No problem!
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 23:03, archived)
# Kewl
Thanks! :o) - ICQ or m3ss3nger?
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 23:09, archived)