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# Isn't that Valentines?
And Mothers Day.
And Fathers Day.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:14, archived)
# I fucking hate Father's day.
Wankers.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:17, archived)
# it's all of them
including Halloween. The only reason that Hallmark did not invent 'Xmas is because Coca fucking Cola beat them to it.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:20, archived)
# Christmas.
If you can't say Christ then you can't have any cake.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:22, archived)
# I said
Xmas as that's exactly what I meant as it's the invented version. But it's moot as I don't celebrate either. Sad but true, it's a foul time of year that only perpetuates the idea that greed is good in Western children, it should be banned along with reality TV.

Oh and I don't eat cake, you're swinging and missing mister! ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:26, archived)
# See I thought it was a festival of giving,
and celebrating and strengthening family bonds.

Just because it's been commercialised extensively doesn't invalidate it as a secular holiday.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:28, archived)
# I've no problem
I give gifts to my kid and family's kids as they have no understanding of my views. I don't like it but I do it. I don't participate inanything else of it and I certainly don't need an excuse to do no work for a month and get pissed.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:37, archived)
# You do know
that Xmas is not a modern day attempt to take the 'Christ' out of Christmas?

It's a very old form of the word, coming from the Greek (I think) as their word for Christ begins with an X.

Whatever mistaken reason people use it for now, it was not originally designed as a word for a secular Christmas.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:30, archived)
#
The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021 AD.
(I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:31, archived)
# I sense
the sweet aroma of copy and paste.
(I helped save b3ta! Mystery_Bob, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:34, archived)
# No, that's how I usually talk
...

you got me
(I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:35, archived)
# You live and (to ) learn
I thought it was an American bastardisation.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:40, archived)
#
Some people believe that the term is part of an effort to "take Christ out of Christmas" or to literally "cross out Christ"; it is also seen as evidence of the secularization of Christmas or a vehicle for pushing political correctness, or as a symptom of the commercialization of the holiday (as the abbreviation has long been used by retailers).

(I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:41, archived)
# oh.
I truly thought it was simply another effort of the ham shanks to distance themselves as much as possible from Anglo / Saxon / Jutish English so they can finally say they invented it and re-write some more history.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:44, archived)
# I thought Jesus invented christmas?
(I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:24, archived)
# Nope, it would actually be
the Emporer Constantine if you want to get pedantic.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:27, archived)
# Emperor
if you want to be a pendant.
(I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:29, archived)
# I think a dozen or so mad, beardy Jews around 30AD
had something to do with it.

Or rather, the early Roman Catholic Church around 200-400 AD, if we're talking the specific day.

Or rather the druidic faith approx 6000BC-300AD if we're talking about the midwinter festival.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:26, archived)
# bloody pagans
usually, they were literally bloody
(I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:27, archived)
# *Draws sacrificial knife*
*Dons white robe*

Right, this one's for the altar, lads, he knows too much.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:33, archived)
#
www.b3ta.com/board/6630516

in the 4thC a.d. when embracing the christian faith by re-inventing the figure of Jesus as the son of god from being previously one of many saviour prophets in jewish history ( that's the 'messiah' word ) was the only way to maintain control of the populace. The only reason for christmas was the fact that the pagans told him to fuck off if he thought they were giving up saturnalia, so he said 'hey, let's just make that a christian festival eh?' Bingo, pagans stayed pissed up on December and the Romans went about compiling the bible keeping all the bits that suited tem and burning the rest. It's all in a history book somewhere.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:34, archived)
# Hmmm
I've heard this opinion before but have yet to see any compelling evidence of it
(beyond the works of Dan Brown of course)

I suspect that if it's true the RC church would have done enough of a whitewash job by now to make such theories impossible to substantiate
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:40, archived)
# I thought it was pretty
Much accepted. There is no doubt that Saturnalia was the December pagan festival previous to Christmas, there is no doubt that the bible was finally fixed in it's modern format under the rule of and by a comittee formed by emperor Constantine and has remained similar since 450ad ( apart from whatever the Catholic Church nade King James leave out when he gave an English version to the populace taking the power from the church )
Christianity did not come to the Romans proper until around this time and took a further 400 years to make it to England. I assumed all this was fact as it's written in many different papers.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:52, archived)
# As a keen amateur
theologian, I concurr.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 19:00, archived)
# It's the idea that Jesus was not considered the son of god
before this time that is unconfirmed
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 19:26, archived)