Sigh, here we go again..1. PCs are easier to upgrade, and the parts are cheaper
2. PCs come with a mouse with 2 buttons
3. You can get more and better games on PCs
4. There's an EJECT button next to the CD drive on PCs
5. Windows makes much more sense than OSX (yes I know it was ripped off the old Apple O/S)
6. PCs can now do everything that Macs used to specialise in, music, graphic design etc..
7. Mac owners are like some kind of religious sect, so ner
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3. You can get more and better games on PCs
4. There's an EJECT button next to the CD drive on PCs
5. Windows makes much more sense than OSX (yes I know it was ripped off the old Apple O/S)
6. PCs can now do everything that Macs used to specialise in, music, graphic design etc..
7. Mac owners are like some kind of religious sect, so ner
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:12,
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So what're the good things about a PC?
The Legendary Pink Dot survived yet another,
Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:15,
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lets see...If something goes wrong it can be replaced within minutes, rather than weeks sending it to a dealer.Easily and cheaply upgradeable. Huge range of capabilities. Large variety of sizes. Can run more than one OS. Good for games, music, video. Compatible with everything.
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Mr.Ons knows you can hear him, Earthmen.,
Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:23,
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aye, but"If something goes wrong"
Which it always does
"Easily and cheaply upgradeable"
With the associated driver nightmares when your new twozzlefonk motherboard refuses to see your SpackMaster 3000 graphics nodule
"Huge range of capabilities"
It can get any virus you like!
"Large variety of sizes"
So is a KFC variety bucket but it's still crap and I'm not sure how this qualifies as a good thing..?
"Can run more than one OS"
What, like a Mac?
"Good for games"
Like my PlayStation?
"music, video"
"The device you are trying to access
is rubbish. Please contact a microsoft expert who will conclude by telling you that you need to spend more money to get your low grade WMA files working again"
"Compatible with everything"
Particularly antivirus, anti-spyware, anti-trojan, anti-malware, WGA, DRM etc etc etc
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 23:04,
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Which it always does
"Easily and cheaply upgradeable"
With the associated driver nightmares when your new twozzlefonk motherboard refuses to see your SpackMaster 3000 graphics nodule
"Huge range of capabilities"
It can get any virus you like!
"Large variety of sizes"
So is a KFC variety bucket but it's still crap and I'm not sure how this qualifies as a good thing..?
"Can run more than one OS"
What, like a Mac?
"Good for games"
Like my PlayStation?
"music, video"
"The device you are trying to access
is rubbish. Please contact a microsoft expert who will conclude by telling you that you need to spend more money to get your low grade WMA files working again"
"Compatible with everything"
Particularly antivirus, anti-spyware, anti-trojan, anti-malware, WGA, DRM etc etc etc
Everything you said plus an important one:PCs can look entirely differnet from one to the next and aren't purchased by wannabe tedious non-conformist arseholes. Oh, and a second, the small point that a PC built for the same cost as a mac will destroy them pound for pound in the performance stakes.
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:16,
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Yes dear,Now give us the benchmarks please
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The Legendary Pink Dot survived yet another,
Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:21,
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Look around. My favorite was from CGTalk a couple of years agoThey put some AMD single core XPs, a Mac G4 and a dual Operton processor, (one that cost the same as a mac) in rendering head to heads and the Mac came so far behind the other machines in terms of rendering speed it was spectacular. This wasn't just one person either, basically every contributer who had any clue about 3D work had the same experience. The line that summed it up for me was, "Don't accept macs to do your work even if Apple give them to you for free." Also, not too long ago a high-raking employee of Adobe got in trouble for admitting that their products were better off run on Windows machines. Then, of course, there's the 'Macs rendering movies' farce that goes on every now and again. They tried to use them for a bit of token work in Sky Captain Saves the Day but it was so painfully slow they had to abandon even that and bring in some beefy Unix rigs. Then of course there is the fact that Macs use mid range PC GPUs. Then there's personal experience having to use the twating things for my media course last year... less said about that the better.
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:30,
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And if you're a horrible nerd like meit has about xtybajillion buttons and functions that I'll never use
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:19,
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Fisking!1. PCs are easier to upgrade, and the parts are cheaper
Never felt the need to upgrade my Mac - does everything I want just fine.
2. PCs come with a mouse with 2 buttons
Er... you can use a two-button/wheel mouse perfectly well on a Mac and do all the fun things they do on Windows PCs.
3. You can get more and better games on PCs
Er, right. Well, that's a great case for Windows PCs as gaming machines. I have a console for that...
4. There's an EJECT button next to the CD drive on PCs
As there is on the Mac I'm currently using (MacBook...)
5. Windows makes much more sense than OSX (yes I know it was ripped off the old Apple O/S)
Rubbish. OSX is far more intuitive, and having had to tech support in-laws through the hell of both XP and Vista, Windows is far from easy to use.
6. PCs can now do everything that Macs used to specialise in, music, graphic design etc..
Which makes them... no worse than Macs!
7. Mac owners are like some kind of religious sect, so ner
Whereas Windows is more like a fascist regime, forcing you all to conform (while letting you *think* you're more free because the spoddier ones among you can ram home some flashy graphics card... NEWSFLASH you're stuck in Bill Gates hell, whichever vendor's PC you buy!)
Boring debate, though - can't both sides just accept there are pros and cons? Personally, having used DOS, W2.1, W95, OS8, OS9, WXP, Linux and Vista, I have to say I think OSX is by far the best OS I've used...
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:39,
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Never felt the need to upgrade my Mac - does everything I want just fine.
2. PCs come with a mouse with 2 buttons
Er... you can use a two-button/wheel mouse perfectly well on a Mac and do all the fun things they do on Windows PCs.
3. You can get more and better games on PCs
Er, right. Well, that's a great case for Windows PCs as gaming machines. I have a console for that...
4. There's an EJECT button next to the CD drive on PCs
As there is on the Mac I'm currently using (MacBook...)
5. Windows makes much more sense than OSX (yes I know it was ripped off the old Apple O/S)
Rubbish. OSX is far more intuitive, and having had to tech support in-laws through the hell of both XP and Vista, Windows is far from easy to use.
6. PCs can now do everything that Macs used to specialise in, music, graphic design etc..
Which makes them... no worse than Macs!
7. Mac owners are like some kind of religious sect, so ner
Whereas Windows is more like a fascist regime, forcing you all to conform (while letting you *think* you're more free because the spoddier ones among you can ram home some flashy graphics card... NEWSFLASH you're stuck in Bill Gates hell, whichever vendor's PC you buy!)
Boring debate, though - can't both sides just accept there are pros and cons? Personally, having used DOS, W2.1, W95, OS8, OS9, WXP, Linux and Vista, I have to say I think OSX is by far the best OS I've used...
1 - I do. It extends my (already cheaper) investment for much much longer.
2 - You can get. Three words that kill that one.
3 - PCs are the top end gaming rigs, offer modding and are the only real platform for the heavy RPGs and, one close to my heart, racing sims amongst others as well as being my work machine, my modelling machine and so on.
4 - Yes, laptop. Notice that's not a tower.
5 - Windows is much more flexible than OSX. The reason OSX is intuitive is because it's idiot-proofed.
6 - Better. See the upgrading issue and other posts, not to mention the fact you've got a larger software base.
7 - Erm, yeah... right. Aside from the fact that makes no sense and that we can use UNIX and all the confusing Linux variants and would be able to use OSX if Apple didn't get law-suit happy every time someone ported it.
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:44,
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2 - You can get. Three words that kill that one.
3 - PCs are the top end gaming rigs, offer modding and are the only real platform for the heavy RPGs and, one close to my heart, racing sims amongst others as well as being my work machine, my modelling machine and so on.
4 - Yes, laptop. Notice that's not a tower.
5 - Windows is much more flexible than OSX. The reason OSX is intuitive is because it's idiot-proofed.
6 - Better. See the upgrading issue and other posts, not to mention the fact you've got a larger software base.
7 - Erm, yeah... right. Aside from the fact that makes no sense and that we can use UNIX and all the confusing Linux variants and would be able to use OSX if Apple didn't get law-suit happy every time someone ported it.
And idiot-proofing is a bad thing?Meh - horses for courses. Delighted you like playing games that much. I like not having my machine pop up stupid messages about upgrading the OS every time I switch on, nag me about viruses (oh, I forgot the virus thing...), deciding that the settings that I want need to be changed back to the settings it wants every time I re-boot, asking me to manually configure stuff it should automatically configure and automatically configure stuff I want to control, taking ages to load lots of things I don't really want into a system tray (then making it hard for me to disable them)... could go on... and on... My Mac's much more passive, easier to use and less hassle.
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:53,
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All those things you listedUpdate: I turned off automatic update. Not hard.
Viruses: Only ever had one in my entire 12 years of PC ownership. One. Took me 15 minutes to get rid of too with no data loss.
Settings: That's bollocks.
Automatic config: Tell it not to. I've never had Windows hijack my own settings.
Ages to load things: Bullshit plain and simple.
System tray: Click on the top of it and pull it down. Not complicated shit.
Basically what you're telling me is you don't have the slightest clue so you gave up.
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 17:56,
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Viruses: Only ever had one in my entire 12 years of PC ownership. One. Took me 15 minutes to get rid of too with no data loss.
Settings: That's bollocks.
Automatic config: Tell it not to. I've never had Windows hijack my own settings.
Ages to load things: Bullshit plain and simple.
System tray: Click on the top of it and pull it down. Not complicated shit.
Basically what you're telling me is you don't have the slightest clue so you gave up.
Ah, right, so I'm just lying?Obviously I'm making up my experiences with Windows machines. Even with automatic updates switched off, I get nagging messages ("you've turned off automatic updates! Your machine is at risk!"), my mother-in-law's XP laptop always changes the settings for wireless access (ironically, it decides to forget it's been set to "allow Windows to configure network access" or whatever it says) and while it allowed me to disable some startup items, it demands I reinstate them before I can reboot. Doubtless some IT spod will tell me how to fix all these thing, by surprisingly, my mother-in-law doesn't have a sysadmin in her employ. Bill Gates sells the means of using consumer electronics, but then makes it damned difficult to use them as you want if you happen to be just a consumer.
That's the one thing those crappy Mitchell and Webb ads got right. The MacBook worked out of the box - perfectly. Windows laptop? Literally hours of arsing around and it still isn't right. Consumer electronics my arse!
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 18:15,
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That's the one thing those crappy Mitchell and Webb ads got right. The MacBook worked out of the box - perfectly. Windows laptop? Literally hours of arsing around and it still isn't right. Consumer electronics my arse!
MACMAN1.) I shoved an extra 1.5 GB in my macbook, it were dead easy.
2.) My mac mouse has 5 buttons.
3.) True
4.) I have an eject button on my keyboard
5.) Windows is a bloody nightmare
6.) Macs can now also be PC's
7.) True, they are known as Fanboys, see also PC fanboys, XBOX360 fanboys etc
Does it really matter what make of computer you use?
PS3's rule....discuss
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Tue 10 Apr 2007, 18:44,
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2.) My mac mouse has 5 buttons.
3.) True
4.) I have an eject button on my keyboard
5.) Windows is a bloody nightmare
6.) Macs can now also be PC's
7.) True, they are known as Fanboys, see also PC fanboys, XBOX360 fanboys etc
Does it really matter what make of computer you use?
PS3's rule....discuss