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# Aye
The Palace (fuck off am I calling it PooPoo or whatever) is still there, but it smells strange without the fags.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:50, archived)
# Have you seen the plans they got for Camden as a whole?
It's horrifying. Right down to the token punk with a sign they've drawn onto the "imaginings" to say 'look, you can still hang out here, even though all your favourite shops are gone!'

Bastards.
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:52, archived)
# my mate went the other week
the market before the stables is gone, apparently. There was a good army surplus there, amonst other things
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:54, archived)
# I haven't, no.
Give me the highlights....

(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:54, archived)
# Well, basically...
Imagine the entirety of Camden Market removed and replaced with a soulless glass, chrome and wood edifice featuring shops with one word names like Fun, Eat, Shop etc.

What's more, the artists impression goes to great lengths to show punks and rockers 'enjoying' this new alternative haven, and pops in one token black family with a pram. The only untouched bit appears to be the Morrisons car park...
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:58, archived)
# *shakes head*
What a shame. Can we bomb them?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:00, archived)
# *Straps Sinclair C5 to self*
already on it Cap'n.
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:02, archived)
# What utter cunts.
Don't they realise it's perfect the way it is?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:04, archived)
# Really?
O_o
(Professor Kenny Martin Hmm? What?, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:54, archived)
# and the Dev is under new management.
(I helped save b3ta! The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:55, archived)
# :O
No.


Please tell me it's still going to be the same though...
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:56, archived)
# Hmm. We'll see.
(I helped save b3ta! The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:58, archived)
# :-(
Many a good time has been had in the Dev by the Captain.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 13:58, archived)
# There was a petition to the government about the plans
their response:

In terms of government policy on retail, national planning policy in Planning Policy Statement 6: Planning for Town Centres (PPS6) seeks to support a competitive retail sector and meet the needs of the community - but it is not the role of planning to restrict competition or preserve existing commercial interests. PPS6 (paragraph 2.27) also asks local authorities to seek to retain and enhance existing markets and, where appropriate, re-introduce or create new ones, as street and covered markets can make a valuable contribution to local choice and diversity in shopping as well as the vitality of town centres. Local authorities should ensure that their markets remain attractive and competitive by investing in their improvement.

Translation: the area can make more money if we make it like every other bloody shopping centre in England, so we'll do that and screw diversity.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:04, archived)
# No it won't, because goths won't travel from all over the UK to visit it.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:05, archived)
# The crucial word there was 'visit'
not 'spend money'. Yes, the shops there did okay, but most people browsed rather than spent, and the age of the premises meant that the rents were kept low enough for the low profits to be okay for traders. The new shops will charge more, and make more because they'll sell mainstream stuff that you can buy anywhere - so why not buy it there?
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:07, archived)
# I always shopped at Camden
It was the only place to get a lot of the stuff I wanted before the net caught on in a big way.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:09, archived)
# True, and I've got a pair of boots that I still wear that I bought there twelve years ago
but I don't think I've bought anything there since, despite going a couple of times a year.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the old Camden, but the government is right when they argue that the area is going to make more money.

"Local authorities should ensure that their markets remain attractive and competitive by investing in their improvement." It's all down to what you classify as 'improvement'. Personally I think that they're destroying the character of the last remaining place of goth/rock culture, they think it's making the place nicer for 'normal people', I guess.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:17, archived)
# Fuck the normal people, they've got the rest of London.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:19, archived)
# One secret I've learnt
there's no such thing as normal people, just weird people who are better at hiding it.

With luck Camden's spirit will be like a bump under the carpet: you push it down in one place and then it pops up in another.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:21, archived)
# I doubt it
Last I heard it's had a bit of a metal night but that's it. I passed it the other day and it looked the same, but I think everything's changed.

Shitty thing is the old management got given 5 days' notice.

Still, I much preferred Quinn's just up the road. At least you don't stick to everything there.
(I helped save b3ta! fross Read your email on, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:18, archived)
# They do some nice veggie food in Quinns as well.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 14:22, archived)