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# depends
how picky you are about your meat.
it's very easy to get good quality meat that's been bred and killed humanly. in fact it's almost always better quality than that which has been killed cruelly
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:17, archived)
# We cannot all be vegetarians anyway,
We'd not be able to feed ourselves.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:19, archived)
# This is true.
Although I don't know about the taste part, but frankly, I don't think there's any humane way to kill an animal. Also, a lot of people will pass up the 'humane' stuff for what's cheaper.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:20, archived)
# We get our meat cheap, but only because we get it locally
and are good friends with the familes who produce it.
There are quick, painless ways of killing the animals, after they have had good, free range lives.
And the meat tasted absolutely fantastic :)
In fact, some of our best friends provided our christmas lunch free of charge.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:22, archived)
# Heheh
Free range is nice.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:23, archived)
# We only eat free range.
We don't buy anything low-quality, despite our lack of money.
Which is why we turn to our friends to cut down the costs.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Ahh
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Free range eggs from a small producer with less than 100 birds is ideal.
With factory farming caged birds are better off then the free range ones - conditions in the barns are apalling and only a very small number ever leave the barn.

Go visit a battery farm some time and compare their sheds.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# i would love
to have 5-10 hens of my own when i'm settled (wife and kids if absolutely necessary) and have my own supply of eggs.

really need to get my arse into gear about finding a butcher and fishmonger near me, apparently there's a decent butcher within walking/cycling distance. there's also a farmer's market every thurs, but i'm usually in uni :(
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:43, archived)
# humane = quickly and painlessly
your people (merkins ;p) have been practising on their convicts for years.

there's a big move in the UK at the moment to change people's eating styles towards better quality meat.

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:23, archived)
# Huh.
Really?
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:24, archived)
# yup
celeb chefs, one of whom is taken seriously, are doing a series on different farming methods, and ramsay has been rearing and killing his own meat on three series of his latest show.

basically all pushing towards local, free range, and humane killing.
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:26, archived)
# Didn't Ramsay
make his kids become friends with the animals first? That's just mean.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:27, archived)
# But if he gets them used to killing the animals,
then they will be able to carry on rearing and killing their own, in humane ways.
They'd be brought up with it.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:29, archived)
# I dunno.
If I was his kid, I'd just be fucked up from that shit. I'd love the animals too much.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# At first.
I guess we should all accept that we have different views.
One of my best friend is vegetarian, as is the girl I love :)
I know a guy up the road who only eats brown rice and is a pagan, none of it changes a person's personality any more than eating meat does.

Lets just agree to disagree?
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:34, archived)
# This.
FTW. :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:35, archived)
# no
he encouraged them to help rear them, in order to teach them where their meat comes from. there's anecdotes where inner city kids have been asked where meat comes from and have answered tesco's, that's more of a worry than three under 12s raising their dinner
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# Oh, okay.
But still, if I was them, I don't think I'd be able to do it.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:33, archived)
# how long have you been veggie?
just out of interest.

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:35, archived)
# About a year.
I didn't like meat, so very very rarely ate it. FInally I just stopped.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:43, archived)
# you're a bit like one of my mates
she became a veggie at about the same age, at one point i had to talk her out of buying a badge(button) saying "i don't eat meat" as she didn't realise the amount of extra female attention she'd get in the clubs she frequented.

gotta say i prefer veggies who choose it themselves rather than those who have it forced on them by their parents, the latter never seem to be all there in my experience
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:47, archived)
# If you were them
you'd not have much choice :)
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:36, archived)
# True.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:45, archived)
# It appalls me that people do not know what they are eating.
I do not eat crated veal or Fois Gras because I personally would not be willing to force feed a goose or keep a calf in a box, but the sort of person who bleats about shooting a rabbit, but eats factory farmed chickens pisses me off.

I had a woman run in front of me when I was about to shoot a partridge once. When I questioned her about the fact that she ate chicken she said 'yes, but I don't kill them myself'.

Stupid cow.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Oh my god!
Are you serious? That's fucked up.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:29, archived)
# please tell me you shot the bitch
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:31, archived)
# Hahahah
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:32, archived)
# Not killing them yourself
kind of makes it worse.

When mum got the chicken for christmas dinner, she was there when it was killed. She's also shot her own pheasants, and my stepbrother gets the rabbit.

The chicken was HUGE.
It was turky-sized! AND we had pheasant & bacon too!
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:32, archived)
# i dunno
i'd happily eat a pheasant, grouse or other fowl if i'd shot it, even deer (never been hunting, but enjoyed clay shooting enough to be willing to give it a shot and know i'd have a chance of gaining a meal from it)
but with pigs, cows and sheep i'd rather leave it to the experts.

as for rabbits, i've only recently decided i wanted to try it, i had a pet rabbit as a child and couldn't imagine ever eating rabbit. don't think i'm quite ready to kill and eat my own bunny
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:38, archived)
# It's lovely stuff.
Absolutely fantastic in a casserole.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:49, archived)
# But all the 'real meat' companies I have spoken to pledge never to sell meat from farms who have had BSE, F&M, etc.
This encourages farmers who rely on the Real Meat firms to hide infection, since they not only lose the herd, but also all future hope of a market.

I bouycott this sort of behaviour.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:26, archived)
# BSE
should start to relax now as people actually know what it is (not that it will)
and the government could do more to support F&M farms as it's been known for years that there's no risk of transmission through meat, and that it doesn't affect quality as drastically as thought in the 60s

bird flu's gonna be the next casualty, although places like bernard matthews are at most risk and can afford to lose a million turkeys as that just about makes one burger, as long as it doesn't affect the decent farmers
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:29, archived)