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# You'd think, in this day and age, people would have an element of compassion.
If you're going to kill something, don't make the last hour of it's life full of fear and adrenaline and pain.

Sorry, foxhunters are cunts, in my humble opinion. I've sabbed a few hunts in my time and feel exactly 0% guilt.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 9:41, archived)
# There's no moral obligation to anthropomorphise wild animals,
even mammals.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 9:58, archived)
# no, but there is a moral obligation to question
why people want to inflict unnecessary pain on any living thing, and what kind of a fucked up person and dangerous member of society that makes them.

Lowered moral standards in most violent inmates can be traced back to incidents of their abusing animals earlier in their life.
If the shoe fits....
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:02, archived)
# Yes but you see
if you choose not to anthropomorphise, the pain becomes nothing to worry about it. You make it sound as if they're reveling in inflicting pain, which I agree would be immoral. It would be perfectly possible to be a foxhunter without imagining that the foxes are little humans undergoing terrible torment, though. Just like it's possible to be a fisherman without having sadistic feelings towards fish.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:12, archived)
# Oh, so they don't feel pain then?
How about I set a pack of dogs on you? Or are you different because you're a human? How fucking egotistical.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:07, archived)
# *sigh*
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:13, archived)
# Sorry, that was snarky of me
I shouldn't jump into these arguments if I don't enjoy them. OK: they don't experience pain in a morally relevant way, any more than a robot (equipped with nerve pathways) experiences pain. This is because they don't really think (and, come to that, don't have any morals or compassion).
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:16, archived)
# 'They don't experience pain in a morally relevant way'.
Could you explain this to me, please?

As far as I'm concerned I would respect anyone a hell of a lot more if they just came out and said 'I enjoy fox hunting because I enjoy killing foxes' over trying to justify it through convoluted moral standpoints.
(I helped save b3ta! An Eagle in Your Mind, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:47, archived)
# Imagine you'd built a robot that reacts to damage because it receives signals from sensors.
Do you give it rights and pity just because it reacts?
I wish it wasn't necessary to defend hunting morally, too.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 11:08, archived)
# what about pheasent shooting?
is that ok?
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:06, archived)
# Why foxes?
Lots of animals must be killed in the countryside. Cows have to killed if they're simply not the right kind of cow. Did you sabotage those farmers or wasn't it fashionable enough to appeal to your conscience?

Fox hunting only kills off the weakest of the foxes; the fast, healthy ones are too quick.
(I helped save b3ta! durbster durbster.co.uk, Wed 27 Feb 2008, 10:11, archived)