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# WAR - HUH, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR
Stopping the Nazis* say it again now

*insert liberating Kosovo, allowing a free state of Kurdistan to develop, etc.
(Mattyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:37, archived)
# You can add
massive technological progress and creating the free world to that too.
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:40, archived)
# if its about liberating the kurds
what's all this "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit - and why hasn't the liberation aspect been mentioned by Bush et al... and only now by Blair because of the widespread cynicism?
Not against overthrowing a tyrant - against the imperialist agenda of the American hegemony.
</rant>
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:46, archived)
# What, and declaring war on the Nazis was about liberating Poland?
?
(Mattyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:48, archived)
# Partly. It was the invasion of Poland that started the war.
(I helped save b3ta! gfreeman is only here for the beer, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:51, archived)
# It was about stopping Hitler
and that was publicly all it was ever about. Not about some contrived non-compliance rap. In 91, Saddam invaded Kuwait, and while that was about oil, it was right to stop him. This time it isn't. He hasn't done anything he hasn't been doing for years, and we didn't stop him then. What about Tibet? What about Rwanda? What about Zimbabwe? What about Nothern Ireland for fucks sake? isn't it almost the same thing as carpet bombing Belfast to stop the IRA? And you wouldn't fucking support that would you?

read this.

Please... Think of the Agenda
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:52, archived)
# The Sanctions have been imposed since the end of the war
so the UN has had a legitimate gripe since then. So what, the sanctions have most likely killed many more than a war would have. What does that matter.

Edit: Sorry fella - this is a cuddly message board. We should agree to disagree.
(Mattyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 12:56, archived)
# It matters a lot.
They estimate half a million have died as a direct result of sanctions. Now who do you think is the crueller and more deserving of being removed for the sake of "liberation". Saddam or the US administration?

edit: agreed, but I still find it abhorrent that anyone can support the US agenda in this case.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:00, archived)
# STOP!
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:03, archived)
# So it's right because this piece of paper says it is?
Bollocks to that - in the end, it's not countries that vote at the UN, it's a single guy in a grey suit voting "yes", "no" or "abstain". They vote the way they are directed by their respective leader.

If you want to look for a national leader with a criminal past, who has signed death warrants for his own citizens, who has a nuculur(sic) arsenal, a country with plenty of Anthrax (recently used in attacks on it's own citizens) - a history of chemical weapons use, look no further than the good ol' US of A.
(I helped save b3ta! gfreeman is only here for the beer, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:05, archived)
# .
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Kittens
(Mattyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:08, archived)
# Be fluffy
(I helped save b3ta! gfreeman is only here for the beer, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:14, archived)
# What really fucks me off with the "it's all about oil" argument is this:
Yes, it is partly about oil. Even if you don't have a car, oil is still vital in your everyday life - whether used as fuel or in the production of plastics. In fact without it the computer you're using to read this wouldn't exist. Now the US has its faults, and has some pretty big ones too, but I would rather see that kind of resource in the hands of a regime that can use it reponsibly. Iraq has massive natural resources, none of which is benefiting the people who live there.
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:01, archived)
# I'm not sure I can entertain that with a response.
So you're saying...

"Even if it is all about oil, Oil's pretty damn useful isn't it?"

... as justification? Fucking grow up man.

Seriously. If you think ^^ your argument up there is more responsible than wanting to keep some oil reserves out of the control of the worlds largest superpower, whose currency controls three quarters of the world's trade, then I pity you.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:04, archived)
# That's not what I'm saying.
Oil is a vital resource, butv it is also a resource that is being misused in Iraq, with very little of its benefits actually reaching the people of the country. Disarmoing Saddam is all well and good, but the only way the people of iraq will get the benefits of their country's enormous natural wealth is by getting rid of him. At the moment it doesn't look likely that he's just going to walk away, does it. I think we both have different viewpoints here, so maybe it's best to agree to disagree.
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:05, archived)
# You're just
wrong. You can never justify killing innocent people.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:08, archived)
# Munich
Dambusters raids?

You can I'm afraid - sad as it is, war is

Kittens
(Mattyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:09, archived)
# Look up
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please!
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:08, archived)
# sorry
I'll keep to kittens in future.
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:09, archived)
# Agreed to disagree
despite the descendence into the spaz.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:12, archived)
# still here
agreed.
(I helped save b3ta! Monkeyboy, Tue 18 Feb 2003, 13:17, archived)