Yes.BZP (EDIT: and TFMPP) was a pretty good substitute, before they got taken away from us as well.
About the best thing on the market now is BK-MBDB but it's far too expensive and not hugely effective.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:42,
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About the best thing on the market now is BK-MBDB but it's far too expensive and not hugely effective.
they've taken bzp away already?bloody hell that didn't last long. i had some of these space cadets a couple of years back when shrooms got taken away, and they were bloody awful. i just felt confused and sleepy.
i need to find a good substitute for mdma. the come downs are getting worse and worse but i hate being the only sober person on a night out. especially considering the cost of booze in clubs.
(i need to find a good substitute for mdma. the come downs are getting worse and worse but i hate being the only sober person on a night out. especially considering the cost of booze in clubs.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:46,
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Just have a rest, perhaps, and build up some serotonin (and whatever else is involved)?
thats what i do these days. i leave about 4 months between each time i take it.its much better that way. that'll teach me for abusing it during my teens
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:52,
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Makes sense. I have a self-imposed limit of once a yearbut then, I'm an unadventurous hermit.
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when i was 18 was using it far too much and i really started to notice the damage it was doing,i'd be at work with no idea where i was :s
i prefer hallucinogens these days anyway. just so long as no hippy bastards are about.
though saying that dropping acid at stonehenge last year was ace.
(i prefer hallucinogens these days anyway. just so long as no hippy bastards are about.
though saying that dropping acid at stonehenge last year was ace.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:58,
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I do think MDMA is a wonderful thing, mind youcomparable to tea. I mean in terms of value to humanity, and thought processes.
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it's very amphetamine-like, with a strong rush and lots of alertnessmild hallucination, and an overall sense of confidence, wellbeing, and sociableness. So yes. And though it can drag coming down, it's not a bump.
Can be a bit drained the next day.
This concludes my initial report, based on one night of two * 200mg, and one night of one * 200mg.
200mg should last you 8 - 10 hours...
(Can be a bit drained the next day.
This concludes my initial report, based on one night of two * 200mg, and one night of one * 200mg.
200mg should last you 8 - 10 hours...
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:12,
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I willif things weren't so complicated at the moment, I would pay a visit tomorrow, but there's no opportunity for partying, and my dad is in hospital.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:16,
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I used to love itIt can be a bit harsh though. Keeps you up more than you'd like. It does ten to make everything fascinating, which is awesome. And it makes me want to fiddle with my computers.
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agreed.though i must confess to being very sick the earnest twatted people telling you how much they love you.
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that's lack of experience speaking mr horrible up yours, dickface,
Mon 5 May 2008, 1:08,
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i knowi've been taking mdma for about 4/5 years now but i know a lot of people who've only been doing it for less than a year so it gets pretty tiring hearing all the clichés over and over again. still, they're having fun.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:10,
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hehhmm... I think about 14 years at least, here.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:13,
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a friend told me once'Gods the only real ecstacy, Get high on life!'
Its at this point it became clearly apparent she didnt have a fucking clue!
(Its at this point it became clearly apparent she didnt have a fucking clue!
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:49,
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That is when my frown face comes into full force.Promptly before I'm charged with assault and given a restraining order.
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my friends all agreed i'd done amazingly well by just saying id consider itinstead of my usual ranting
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:54,
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JESUS.I'd have wondered if you were already on pills.
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I had a methodist friend like that (she was my friend up until the time I found out that after a bad breakup she went fucking mental)except she drunk really heavily and partied in equal quantity, which sort of never really made sense to me.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:57,
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this was my former masochist gf, who found christshe no longer does anything fun.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:59,
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Hey, I don't do anything fun so don't go bandying around your not fun bad making, you hear me!To be honest fun, excitement, a fullfilling life, etc are just delusions people set up so they don't despair at the fact that life literally means shit all. Whether it's the pointless following of old words or sweating in a room full of strobe lights, it doesn't really mean shit all.
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and there lies the fragile beauty of the human being. Tom OBedlam I have control of a tank,
Mon 5 May 2008, 1:06,
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Terrifying oblivion justifies being boring?You have a point, but i'm still not keen on boring people.
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You can still be interesting if you so wish, just don't believe your own hype.You can stick your cock in a hole, think you are jesus or get tattoos on your eyes, but as soon as people start thinking the way they act is right or good or justified or better than other people's lives then they are just deluding themselves.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:11,
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WellLife means shit all - compared to what?
Values are not meaningful - compared to what?
Therefore life has meaning, because it might as well.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:25,
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Values are not meaningful - compared to what?
Therefore life has meaning, because it might as well.
Existance is just transfers of energy, there's no inherent meaning to it.People make whatever kind of meaning they see fit, but unfortunately to stop themselves despairing at the fact that there is no purpose or inherent meaning to life, they then believe whatever arbitrary thing they have thought up as truth. Then argue over it incessently.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:34,
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Things wrong with that:How is it possible to despair at a lack of reasons to care about anything? If there's really nothing that matters, you wouldn't give a hoot. If you despair over it, then that's something you care about, and your life has a purpose (to seek purpose), so it's a paradox - or rather a bubble that immediately bursts: life does contain something which appears to be meaning (your "delusions"), so anybody concerned about lack of meaning has something immediately to latch onto, with no competition; anybody not concerned about lack of meaning has no reason to resist this. Which I think is a natural urge - all the moil, toil, hurly-burly, creation of knowledge and argument and general mucking about is just our brains doing what they naturally do; and there is no possible reason to resist - except in as far as that resistance would, itself, be just another aspect of our brains doing what they naturally do. It wouldn't, however, be a meaningful act to resist - even if we're going to call meaningful acts illusory, it still wouldn't count as one.
Unless you'd come up with a reason.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:44,
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Unless you'd come up with a reason.
If you despair about something and subsequently need to seek answers, you may class that as a purpose.But that does still not mean that life and existence innately has a purpose or meaning.
People seem to be of the opinion that whatever perception of life they see or experience is a 'valid truth' of what life really is. If I go through life and get scared and excited, is that what life really is? Is it the combined experiences and perceptions of all intelligent beings? It's pretty much everything, the sheer multitude of possibilities of interaction and experience, the infinite of potential. If something is everything, how can it have any meaning? Anything is possible and nothing is or isn't preferred.
I don't really care about what people think, until as I said they start arguing, calling themselves right or waging conflict over it. Then it just gets to being fucking pathetic.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 2:08,
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People seem to be of the opinion that whatever perception of life they see or experience is a 'valid truth' of what life really is. If I go through life and get scared and excited, is that what life really is? Is it the combined experiences and perceptions of all intelligent beings? It's pretty much everything, the sheer multitude of possibilities of interaction and experience, the infinite of potential. If something is everything, how can it have any meaning? Anything is possible and nothing is or isn't preferred.
I don't really care about what people think, until as I said they start arguing, calling themselves right or waging conflict over it. Then it just gets to being fucking pathetic.
Yes, sense of purpose* is arbitrary,but I don't think this should stop us feeling one, or affect our behaviour, for the reasons given above. It does mean that we can't make an appeal to life's supposed innate, pre-determined purpose as a source of authority, though, fair point.
We can make an appeal to our human-created reasons for thinking that such-and-such is life's purpose, although I admit the term "life's purpose" sounds a bit wrong. Really it would mean "the only purpose which apparently makes sense, as far as you or I know, so far, although we could be wrong." Also this would be a trivial thing to appeal to, since it couldn't contain any details that weren't controversial.
*I mean that having a sense of purpose at all is arbitrary and not justified by anything. Having one particular purpose rather than another is arrived at by reason.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 2:22,
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We can make an appeal to our human-created reasons for thinking that such-and-such is life's purpose, although I admit the term "life's purpose" sounds a bit wrong. Really it would mean "the only purpose which apparently makes sense, as far as you or I know, so far, although we could be wrong." Also this would be a trivial thing to appeal to, since it couldn't contain any details that weren't controversial.
*I mean that having a sense of purpose at all is arbitrary and not justified by anything. Having one particular purpose rather than another is arrived at by reason.
What this seems to boil down tois that you expect knowledge to be final and perfect, and on observing that there's a vast difference of opinion about what's true, you conclude that there isn't any knowledge. You don't seem to consider that there might be progress in verisimilitude.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 2:46,
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Well I would highlight things like Solipsism which claims that nothing other than yourself can be known to be true.But the fact that someone can even hint that there are no external frames of reference or ways in which we can ever truly be certain shows that ultimately veracity will be an unjustified thing. There is still knowledge, knowledge is what we know as knowledge, but that doesn't necessarily make knowledge an inherent truth. It's more an expression or a possibility, just as you can't say that a certain spelling of a certain word in English is correct and others are wrong - a word might need to be spelt a certain way to belong to a set, of English or whatever other type of knowledge it is.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 3:12,
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There's (unknown) objective truth.(Otherwise logic fails, because A and not A are equally true.)
This means that probably some of our knowledge is true (or some of our future knowledge might be, and we can't know which). This means there is progress in knowledge and purpose to argument.
The thing about correct spellings of words is just failure to define a problem tightly. Like you say, there is a correct spelling of a word in order to belong to a particular set. There isn't a correct spelling of a word, or a correct albatross, or a correct anything that can't undergo a specified (or implied) test for correctness.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 3:27,
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This means that probably some of our knowledge is true (or some of our future knowledge might be, and we can't know which). This means there is progress in knowledge and purpose to argument.
The thing about correct spellings of words is just failure to define a problem tightly. Like you say, there is a correct spelling of a word in order to belong to a particular set. There isn't a correct spelling of a word, or a correct albatross, or a correct anything that can't undergo a specified (or implied) test for correctness.
hahareminds me of when i was off my face at a drum n bass night and my christian mate was there. i asked him how he could dance for so long without doing pills. he said "it's what being a christian is all about!"
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:49,
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BZP isnt technically illegal...but it is classifiable as a 'medicine' under UK law so you need a license to sell it apparently.
Although our local friendly Dr. herman's still sells the 'Head fuel' range which contain pperazines, for some reason.
They also have 'Doves' which are BK-MBDM which is close to MDMA. You'll probably recognise theffects, but they cost £10 PER PILL!
I'm going to try something called 'diablos' which are made by the same people as my favourite BZP type (Hummers / Magic)
LEGALIZE EVERYTHING!!
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:49,
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Although our local friendly Dr. herman's still sells the 'Head fuel' range which contain pperazines, for some reason.
They also have 'Doves' which are BK-MBDM which is close to MDMA. You'll probably recognise theffects, but they cost £10 PER PILL!
I'm going to try something called 'diablos' which are made by the same people as my favourite BZP type (Hummers / Magic)
LEGALIZE EVERYTHING!!
if they legalize it they can tax it and they'd like the money they'd make! Sheehan forevermore owes Ttssattsr beer,
Mon 5 May 2008, 0:52,
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cane toads are freealso, speaking of tripping
www.imdb.com/title/tt1212448/
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www.imdb.com/title/tt1212448/
So are Hawaiian baby woodrose seedsbut they make me throw up (and also afraid of the damp in my bedroom)
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They were rather fun, but made my friend's toes swell up.Drugs shouldn't ideally contain strychnine.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:53,
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i've got a stash of hawaiian shrooms at the moment, they're rather nicewhat're the woodrose seeds like? i tend to throw up on an narcotic so it doesn't hold much fear for me...
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:54,
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I think they're LSA, or something like that.Something a bit like acid.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:57,
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ExactlyLysergic Acid Amide, or Ergine.
Chemically similar to LSD.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:59,
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Chemically similar to LSD.
i think thats the active ingredient in space cadets Tom OBedlam I have control of a tank,
Mon 5 May 2008, 1:07,
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They're very trippyand quite pleasant, lots of nice closed-eye visuals and a mood lift, BUT they contain cyanogenic glycosides which make tiny amounts of cyanide on contact with water. Not enough to be toxic, but they will almost certainly make you vom.
I hardly ever up-chuck in that manner but they really put me in my place.
Then again i did have the recommended dosage TWICE in one evening, which may not have helped.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 0:58,
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I hardly ever up-chuck in that manner but they really put me in my place.
Then again i did have the recommended dosage TWICE in one evening, which may not have helped.
ah that might do it.i fucked about with 2-cb on friday night and learnt my lesson. i had twice the doseage my dealer prescribed and spent 5 hours watching the dullest hallucinations ever. really dumb hallucinations, none of the usual insight or intrest, just weird patterns. bit like an acid comedown really.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:02,
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whats that then?i used to rather like DXM when i was younger
( Tom OBedlam I have control of a tank,
Mon 5 May 2008, 1:12,
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Basically speed.I used to get it because it was the only thing that used to help with my migraines.
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:18,
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I don't like em mesen, too much like LSD, very hallucinogenic and long lived,but y'know, if that's your bag...
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Mon 5 May 2008, 1:00,
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That's because you're eating little cocktail sausages. MrPineapple .co.uk - TSHIRTS FOR SALE. I GIVE YOU GOOD PRICE.,
Mon 5 May 2008, 0:51,
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You're a little cocktail sausage
epiphany coming live from sweden,
Mon 5 May 2008, 0:56,
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I sure am. MrPineapple .co.uk - TSHIRTS FOR SALE. I GIVE YOU GOOD PRICE.,
Mon 5 May 2008, 0:57,
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i like herbs.i had rocket and parsley in my salad and it was great.
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