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# But surely your idea is all about some sort of censorship?
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:03, archived)
# It's more about breaking people in gently.
I don't know about you, but if I tried to join b3ta these days I wouldn't bother.

People get really nasty.
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:08, archived)
# Feh
my first post was shot down in flames four years ago, but it didn't stop me

it's the only way they will learn
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:13, archived)
# I don't think that's true.
If you're friendly and point out their mistake, they normally take it on board.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:14, archived)
# Oh, I've been shot down plenty of times.
that's not so much what I'm talking about, it's more just when someone posts one or two pictures and then has a bunch of imaginary rules and people posting 250kb FAIL.gifs when someone posts a slightly too big picture.

MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST TRY AND BE NICER.
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:16, archived)
# I'm generally nice
I don't get upset over a few k on a pic

but if someone comes on and posts something abysmally wrong, like a "why doesn't someone photoshop this it would be really funny" new thread, then I think they need to be shot down
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:28, archived)
# You're not wrong there.
But I don't think this is a practical solution.
Maybe people should be naughty stepped for excessive or unnecessary flaming.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:13, archived)
# who flames unnecessarily?
I haven't seen much flaming just for the hell of it round here. b3ta is pretty good in that respect.

As for excessive...then you would be naughty-stepping an awful lot of regulars who are displeased at having their (or others) work pushed off the board by a noobie starting a talk thread or stealing an image.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:20, archived)
# WHAT??? A 60K IMAGE ON MY WATCH?
*fail image*
I'd call that unnecessary, and much less productive than just being fluffy and pointing out their image is slightly bigger than it should be.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:22, archived)
# this^^^
i try to to be nice and post the helpful lemony link with a for future reference type comment.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:25, archived)
# The only problem with lemony
last time I looked is the GIMP pages were broken.

It may be worthwhile writing an optimisation guide for GIMP. I would but unfortunately while I'm fine with JPGs I suck with GIFS :(
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:26, archived)
# i had'nt noticed its flaws
it's more about making the point that there are image size guidelines, who really ever read all of the faqs before posting? in my own case i didn't even have a clue what optimisation was
and went over size by a wee bit with a couple of posts. it was the lovely ms tutt who very nicely pointed out the error of my ways and i made an effort to sort it out thereafter. not ms tutt you understand but my size issues.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:34, archived)
# oh yeah
i'm not trying to knock it much -- even though the photoshop bits are the ones that i've been able to read it's still helpful. there's a few things which are program-specific which don't work in the gimp (at least not for someone who doesn't know it well, which still includes me) which was my only real knock.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:35, archived)
# Most of the time that I've seen large images it has been:
GSTQ posting his lemony link.
Someone saying 50kb only etc but not in too bad a way. (what I do, I've even offered to optimise a couple of times...)
There are a couple of twats that post fail, but not many
Then again, my bed time is about lunchtime in the UK and maybe I don't see it all.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:32, archived)
# It's generally worse in the UK dayshift.
Perhaps because of people at work taking out their misery on newbies.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:34, archived)
# being nice is much easier than being a an over zealous nazi
not as funny admittedly.

i tend to put the boot in only after trying to be nice a couple of times or if someone really is taking the piss.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:37, archived)
# which is perfectly fair enough
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:41, archived)
# You're joking, right?
When I joined B3ta it was about four months after first looking at it and I still made sure I waited a week before posting anything so that there wasn't a nice L plate. Because while in the FAQ it says something like "You get a learner plate so that people will make allowances" what it actually means is "Come on everyone! Be a cunt to me because I've committed the crime of not knowing that the 50k guideline is actually a capital law!"

Not everyone has as much time to burn as I had at the time, so most people don't do this "sit around for months" lark, and then they get about twenty replies to their first attempt basically calling them a retard (which is also, I believe, banned in the FAQ. Not that those who constantly shout "FAQ!" appear to consider all of it of equal weight.)
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:26, archived)
# Perhaps we should start quoting this at flamers.
There is somebody really annoying on the board, is it OK to be rude to them?
Absolutely not. If you are really annoyed by another boarder, you can click the 'Ignore' button under their posts and everything they post will be hidden from you (you can always un-ignore them later if you like). Please don't be horrible to other people just because they are new, or you didn't like their picture, or posted something that bothers you. If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything.

If there is somebody on the board who doesn't know what to do, you can always point them in the direction of this FAQ in a friendly way (or use the secret code).

There are moderators about to deal with people who abuse the messageboard, replying to somebody calling them a cunt isn't very constructive and will just encourage people to keep trolling.

(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:33, archived)
# I like this
enough I even clicked.

I think I'll start doing this. I'll quote section and paragraph, too.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:34, archived)
# Maybe I'm asleep when the really bad flamers come out
but I've only ever seen a good bumming given to those that post talk, spam, stolen or nsfw images and I think that's deserved, they should have read the FAQ and know not to do it. As for the 50kb limits there are some (no names on uncoded lines) that whip out a flail every time someone posts a 60kb image and maybe that should be stopped.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:37, archived)
# yeah i think the worst is during the day
the gayshift is a bit more accepting, perhaps because anyone wanting to post fail pictures would run out of inspiration ten minutes after doctor dyslexia started posting oversized images on the board, or perhaps because there's not so many stressed office-workers on.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:43, archived)
# ARF!!
Or Sir Pigeon Nipples posting talk threads...
Or Postbear putting a pretty bad taste (but usually obscenely funny) comment or image up...
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:47, archived)
# I've had SPN on ignore (with Mongy) since the scat porn episode.
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:49, archived)
# what did SPN do in the scat thingo?
I know mongy was posting chocolate cake porno but I guessed it was a hijack.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:53, archived)
# It was hijacked by SPN, who hijacked Mongy's account
They both thought it would be funny to post scat porn on the site using each other's accounts
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:02, archived)
# EH???? any admissions from either side?
...it is kinda funny in some senses...
How come they weren't banned?
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 11:03, archived)
# the gayshift has a certain relaxed charm
even if i must confess to generally having doctor dyslexia on ignore. it makes the board a slightly more aesthetically pleasing experience if you're going to be around on the gayshift.

on the other hand, it can perhaps afford to be more relaxed because there's fewer people around. if ther'es a hundred people trying to post then it's a lot more irritating when someone posts total crap and keeps the board moving so fast.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:50, archived)
# Aye, agreed
The board is also much nicer without Dexion's 2 frame animations raping my eyes.
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:52, archived)
# i've not ignored them yet
i think goldenfanjita's the only other person i've got on ignore because he's just acting like a twat to make some point he's never made clear.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:59, archived)
# what has the Doctor ever done to you....
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:57, archived)
# not much
posted scribbly paint-drawings that offend my eyes and generally entertained herself. good luck to her and she'll generally stay on ignore for the sake of my poor abused eyeballs
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:59, archived)
# And what of Sir Sand Gobblin?
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 11:01, archived)
# well
i seem to recall ignoring him in the past but he's certainly not on the list at the minute and i can't remember why i'd have ignored him in the first place. i've made an effort to take the whole thing less seriously in the last few months because i was becoming the kind of weird over-earnest freak that i normally laugh about...
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:06, archived)
# there's nothing like a good flaming
fortunately most people tend to get over them and come back for more.it still amuses me how intimidated i was at posting stuff on here and how bothered i got ( fairly short lived) when i either got flamed or ignored, i was a 40 year old bloke, done a degree in art with brutal crit's almost weekly, never mind all the shit i'd get at work. maybe it was down to my total lack of knowledge about message boards and my ineptitude with photoshop. before i started on here i'd never been anywhere near either.
now you can all just fuck off if you don't like what i do.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:49, archived)
# NO, YOU FUCK OFF
AND LOOK AT MY MOST IGNORED-EVER IMAGE WHILE YOU DO SO



I think it got a sum total of no responses on post and repost. Now that hurts more than a flaming. Bah.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:51, archived)
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(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:54, archived)
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(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:01, archived)
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(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 11:02, archived)
# It's not that bad
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 18 May 2008, 10:56, archived)
# cheers
i even did a click for big on it.

i cant' remember the point now even though it was only a couple of weeks ago. i think someone mentioned cradle of filth and the i love horses link had been posted a couple of times.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:02, archived)
# just out of sheer spite
*clicks

we've all had some of those, mine are generally ones i've spent at least a couple of hours doing.
i love the vagueries? of the board. it's as much to do with timing as talent and of course being in with the cool kids.
i also prey that one of the 'star' posters or a complete numpty don't post directly after me, it's the kiss of death for any image.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:56, archived)
# vagaries, i think? or vagiaries.
that one took maybe half an hour or so to get looking half decent, mainly because i was a bit out of practice and it was hard finding decent blood without trying to draw it myself. as you say, it's part of the board, and when you post. and whether everyone loves you.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:01, archived)
# aviaries?
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:03, archived)
# Ovaries?
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:04, archived)
# jambories?
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Sun 18 May 2008, 11:07, archived)
# Everywhere in the net and in real life, there are certain expectations to be met when joining something new
It's up to the person to check it out, look at how things work and join in - every now and again they might fuck up royally and might get flamed by some of the less patient members, but it's all part of life's rich tapestry and learning. Even places like "Hilda's Knitting Forum" is going to be populated by people who treat newbies who fuck up with some kind of contempt.

I personally think b3ta /board is one of the more fluffier areas of the internet.

Cliques, cliques, cliques.. They existed before the wheel was invented and are nothing new.

That said, if I was new and posted for the first time on the gayshift, I don't think I would ever come back.
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:17, archived)
# The cliques at Hilda's Knitting Forum
are complete cunts
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:31, archived)
# Tell me about it
They told me to fuck off to b3ta
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Sun 18 May 2008, 10:53, archived)