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# I agree
however much people dislike a group, harassing them directly is just as prejudiced and intolerant.
They are unlikely to change their views because someone threatens them, rather seek safety in their particular herd, with some justification.
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:10, archived)
# and this makes the situation play into their hands
because the more they get to play the part of a 'victim' in this, through the threatening
behavour, the more sympathy they will generate once Griffin and co. start spouting general
principles of law which we all abide by, and how it's being broken in this instance by what is
happening. They may well end up with more people sympathetitc to their 'cause' through this once the dust settles a bit.
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:20, archived)
# YES
people who feel victimised will frequently try to find someone 'worse' than them, to feel better as a individual or group. The 'I'm OK you're not OK' position; hence the BNP targeting 'deprived' areas where more people are desperate to find someone to blame.

*Reels* an adult conversation on /board and I haven't been called a cunt yet
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:30, archived)
# You cunt.
;)
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:33, archived)
# cunt
sorry
(I helped save b3ta! Jim_Davidson has an enormous willy, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:33, archived)
# "hence the BNP targeting 'deprived' areas"
and hence the Sun selling for only 30p
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:50, archived)
# hahaha, well said
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 18:16, archived)
# Quite, education (not just passing exams) is an answer.
Sadly that doesn't fit the capitalist/consumerist agenda either.
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Wed 19 Nov 2008, 18:16, archived)
# They are unlikey to change their views fullstop!
The BNP is a front for Far-Right Extremists who financers are highly motivated people they use demagogy to play upon people's fears but their ultimate agenda is to destroy Trade Unions and reduce the Working Class to slave labour market. Nonetheless we can pat ourself on the back for our high ideals about divulging information but will they be so open minded when they are constantly seeking information of the Left groups. Hitler came to power using Democracy to destroy democracy - at some point we will ahve to fight these fascists whether it means sacrificing our preconceptions of always doing the "right thing".

There was a poem and whilst I don't know it off heart it goes something like.

"First they came for the Trade Unionists - I was not a Trade Unionists so I did nothing.

They came for the Gays and Lesbians and I was not one of them so I did nothing.

They then came for the Jews and I wasn't Jewish so I did nothing.
They came for the disabled and I was not disabled so I did nothing.

Then they came for me, but there was nobody left to fight for me..."
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:23, archived)
# I don't see them coming for anybody.
I see a load of morons hurling abuse by illegal means at people whose political views they disagree with.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:35, archived)
# That's the front
it's not the knobheads who front the organisation who are the ones in control it's their paymasters who you don't see. If you really think the BNP is poltically neutral and nothing more than a bunch of bigotted idiots then they have succeeded in their aims. I for one would not like to see them ever get into a position of power as you will see the face of the BNP rapidly changed from morons to out and out fascists.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:38, archived)
# Politically neutral?
whoever suggested that?

They're clearly rabidly right-wing fascists, I just don't feel like becoming an intolerant bigoted idiot myself would really be an effective way of fighting them.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:44, archived)
# They suggest that they are neutral
and people are beginning to believe them.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:51, archived)
# Sadly people who only think as far as the end of their street
or the next car/meal/job/new gadget/tv will be and are easily fooled. Wasn't it Goebbles who said it you tell a lie long enough...

(see WMDs etc.)
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Wed 19 Nov 2008, 18:09, archived)
# To be fair
Gays and lesbians, Jews and the disabled wouldn't be much use in a fight anyway :¬/
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:37, archived)
# I don't know steal a lesbian's pint or critise a gay's curtains
and you'll get you're head kicked in.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:41, archived)
# haha
*rings Mossad*
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:42, archived)
# youre fucking joking arentya
have you ever tried picking a fight with a 6 foot 6 tranny?
(I helped save b3ta! Jim_Davidson has an enormous willy, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:43, archived)
# I'm not saying they will change their views at all
there will always be people who have a similar position. Reminding people how it happened in 1930s Germany might be more helpful or perhaps investigative journalism exposing links to 'terrorists' (useful buzz word, it worked to start the move to a police state).
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:41, archived)
# Hitler came to power on a tide of demagogy
and disillusionment with a Government that didn't care a toss for it's people and even sent the army in to break up strikes often shooting dead 'activists' - Hitler stated that he would used Democracy to Remove Democracy and therefore stop the rot of these psuedo-deomcratic parties from taking power only to ignore the needs of the people. In that respect he was correct and unfortanely people actually thought what he offered was a better solution that the mediocracy of a Government of self-important tossers. Whilst our own government is no where near that stage just yet, they are becoming more and more beaucratic and sooner of later we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past as parasites like the BNP will feed of this disillusionment until the time is right. Maybe it won't be the BNP but it may be a splinter faction just Like Hitler broke from the Fascist movement in Germany to form his own ideals of fascism which would be known as Nazism or National Socialism a bastardization of Socialism to fool the workers into think Hitler was one of them.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:49, archived)
# Then again
we now have their contact details, maybe we could kick them out of the country or perhaps herd them into specific estates to er, concentrate the problem in small areas...Oh wait, hasn't this been tried before.
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Wed 19 Nov 2008, 18:11, archived)