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# you wouldn't get 70 years though would you :p
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:16, archived)
# You wouldn't get tried in a court that belongs to the householder
held in the cellar or something.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:18, archived)
# Well no, that is true,
however, breaking into his house wouldn't compromise national security would it. But that is beside the point. Complain about the length of the sentence, by all means, on a humanitarian standpoint, whatever, but the law is the law, and if you break it, you deserve to be prosecuted. Simple as that.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:19, archived)
# it's not at all that simple as anyone who has followed this at all would realise
what he did barely even constituted hacking
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:20, archived)
# He was basically a script kiddie
Ran a script he found to search for systems with no security and then RDPed to them. Hardly hacking.
(I helped save b3ta! Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:22, archived)
# there seems to be a meme of people getting dinged for just walking into wide open systems that should be fucking secure
what if he was an ACTUAL OMG TERIST

fucking idiots don't learn, they've been this shite for years.
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 15:12, archived)
# I don't claim to know the whole ins and outs of the case,
however, he has said himself that he hacked in looking for classified UFO documents and such. Seems to me that it is unarguable that he hacked the system.

I'm not sure what you mean by "barely constituted hacking"
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:23, archived)
# well the guy admitted it naively without a lawyer.
what I mean is, it was not a serious professional hack. The security was woeful and the guy probably couldn't even believe how easy it was to get in. what I mean is, if you go up to someone's house, try the door handle, and it's unlocked, you are wrong to enter, but it's not breaking and entering if you do.
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:27, archived)
# Actually it is, amusingly enough.
If the door isn't closed, though, it isn't.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:29, archived)
# As I said below, no, it isn't breaking and entering.
However, it is still trespassing, which is a crime.

And if the door is open and you go in and rob the house, insurance payout or not, if you are caught you will still be charged and convicted of theft.

You can try and moralise it as much as you like, it is still a criminal act.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:30, archived)
# again I'm not saying he wasnt wrong
but you shouldn't get convicted of theft if you don't fucking steal anything...
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:34, archived)
# No, of course you shouldn't.
However, he isn't being charged with theft is he. I am just trying to draw a parallel.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:39, archived)
# illegal and legal
doesn't always equate wrong and right.
(Peter_G, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:35, archived)
# It doesn't even always equate to illegal and legal, either
if we're talking about different countries.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:38, archived)
# Maybe not.
However, illegal does equate with against the law. And if you are going to commit a crime, you can't complain about being punished for breaking that law.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:56, archived)
# Well, yes you can.
You can in fact complain about it. Say your crime is producing modern art in nazi Germany, and you get put in prison for it, complaining is entirely reasonable. I guess you mean you're silly not to expect to be punished, rather than that you shouldn't complain about being punished.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 15:07, archived)
# The systems broken into weren't even password protected or had default passwords
(I helped save b3ta! Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:28, archived)
# That is may as well be,
but that doesn't mean that it is acceptable or right to go inside.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:31, archived)
# Yes, but we are talking the difference between
charges for misuse of computers and charges for terrorism, which is what he's going to be charged with :S He deserves to be punished but what he's facing is more than a bit severe.
(I helped save b3ta! Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:34, archived)
# As I said before,
by all means complain about the severity of his punishment if you like, however, he is being tried for terroroism or whatever under American Law. If American law states what he did is terrorism, then he should be punished in accordance with the statute. Sadly, it is as simple as that. The odds of him actually getting sentenced to 70 years is, I would venture to say, highly unlikely.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:41, archived)
# And you think American law should apply in England?
(Peter_G, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:42, archived)
# It's a bit hard to say where he did the crime, really.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:44, archived)
# I'm not saying it necessarily should, no.
However, the crime he commited, although he was sat in England, was for all intents and purposes commited in America.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:45, archived)
# no, as you said before
"He deserves everything he gets. "
although I suspect this is internet bravado
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:43, archived)
# And I stick by that.
I said that you can argue about the severity of the punishment all you like. I however, am not.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:47, archived)
# then you are either lying
or are lacking in qualities I consider necessary to be thought of as human. If someone on a tour of the houses of parliament thinks it would be funny to sit on the seats, and the pm gets embarrassed and the guy gets 20years behind bars would you argue that the guy knew it was wrong and deserves everything he gets? It seems either you don't value your life very much, or simply don't care about anyone else one bit. There's simply no getting around it; this guy is being well and truly fucked over. He's already lost getting on for a decade of his life to this bullshit as it is.
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:56, archived)
# Maybe.
As I said before, I don't know the entire story of what he did, and no-one will till it goes to court really. He may well be being fucked over, yes, or he may have done a lot more than people so far know.

It probably is too harsh and unfair of me to say that he deserves 70 years, you're right.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 15:02, archived)