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This is a normal post And John Mann Mp
Labour Party. And the guardian, and everyone with a functioning fucking brain.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Could you explain what the issue is?
Assume I have no prior knowledge. Although I do know who Hitler is.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bascially, someone said they're not that really that fond of Israel,
and someone else said, 'ooh, that means you hate all Jews and are a racist' so they had to be told off. And then someone else said 'hang on, that's not really the same thing', and then someone else said, 'ooh, that means you hate all Jews and are a racist', and so on, and so on.
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post They've gone a good deal further than saying they're "not really that fond of Israel."
Downplaying what's been said actually exacerbates the situation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not nearly as much as does over-stating it does.

(I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think verbatim reporting of social media posts can be described as overstating it.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post (a) How many words did each post contain?
(b) How many words were written by the newspapers reporting them (including headlines but not including direct quotes)?

I would sugggest that the ratio of (b) to (a) might be weighed against the phrase 'verbatim reporting', and the latter come out wanting.
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post In the same way many people conflate 'Israel' with 'The Jews'
you're conflating reportage with comment. Newspapers would be pretty thin without the latter.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Let us get the facts straight.
(1) Naz Shah MP (Labour) said that she thought Jews in Isreal should be relocated to the US to form a new state there.

(2) She was suspended from the Labour party, despite apologising, owing to this being an obviously anti-semitic thing to say.

(3) Ken Livingstone (Labour) did an interview, where he didn't say anything racist or anti-semitic.

(4) However, he DID attempt to defend Naz Shah, claiming that SHE hadn't said anything racist or anti-semitic, which was so obviously not the case.

(5) Now people are mixing up the concepts of BEING racist, and being an APOLOGIST for racism, so Livingstone appears to have been suspended for being racist, when he should have actually been suspended for being stupid.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post He also said
(anti-historically) that Hitler was a zionist before he went mad and killed 6 million Jews. And he has plenty of form.
There are two elephants in the room.
1. Muslim anti-semitism. It's real. It's in the Koran and the Hamas charter.And it isn't just 'the israeli government is bad m'kay'
2. Left's hatred of Israel because it's backed by Amerikkka.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh sure...
He has form, and is probably a little bit racist. I don't deny that.

But I don't think that Hitler quote was racist. It was factually inaccurate, utterly irrelevant, and preposterously stupid, but I don't think it was inherently racist.

I think they should've made it clear that he was suspended for being a massive bell-end rather than for being racist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side... I think Naz Shah and Livingstone are appalling, but I also think that too many terms are being erroneously conflated and the debate is becoming muddied as a result. So let's call Livingstone what he is... a massive bell-end.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post You don't stick hitler ( lying inaccurate
Into a comment about Israel by accident. He did it to offend and upset.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, and I might call someone a stupid cunt,
to offend and upset. It wouldn't be racist.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, she said 'Israel' and later again referred to 'Israelis'.
She did not say 'Jews'.
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Replace the word Israelis
with the word Indians and ask yourself if that would be racist.
She obviously didn't mean the Muslim residents of Israel, so please don't feign wilful ignorance of the fact that this was obviously racist.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post also
if you replace the word relocated with exterminated, you get a sense of what a monster she really is.
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, the relocations came first. History 101.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post to be fair
I can imagine that if Trump gets in, America could actually start gassing minorities.
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Changing relocated and exterminated fundamentally changes the meaning and makes it much worse.
Changing Israeli to Indian keeps it meaning almost exactly the same thing, just about an arbitrarily different ethnic group.

Saying Israelis should relocate is exactly as racist as saying Indians should relocate.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post You know you're losing an argument when you resort, not for the first time, to lies.
She has referred to "the Jews" in more than one tweet, and not in a flattering way.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post cool
feel free to liberally sprinkle the word 'Jews' into any other sentence she uses in the future when quoting her then.

(not trying to defend her here, but this thing about replacing words when quoting immediately undermines the credibility of the person doing the quoting.)
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post WTF are you talking about?
A quote is a quote. If you insert words or replace words it's not a quote. Stupid fucking spastic.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post we have a winner!
ding ding ding

and don't act coy, you know you were implying she meant Jews when she said Israelis, and you aren't the only one implying or explicitly saying that it's what she said.

and I wouldn't have to point such stupidly fucking obvious things if you would stop misrepresenting people, or could even just serve up the full pint of your mind piss without spilling half of it down your trousers.
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Fuck stupid lying cunt.
she said "The Jews are rallying". She used the word "Jews". Not "Israelis", "Jews". The exact word she used was "Jews". Fact. Google it you ill informed lying cunt.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/27/naz-shah-timeline-of-events-leading-to-mps-suspension-from-labour
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post its still right there, several posts up
see the post that started this chain, where eViLegion says:
"said that she thought Jews in Isreal should be relocated to the US"?

that is not the same thing as (stupidly) suggesting Israel be subsumed into America, which would presumably entail some sort of optional relocation for EVERY Israeli, rather than just Jewish Israelis.
(I understand the actual post, just had the text "problem solved")

that she has talked about Jews in other contexts is not something I am disputing.... or talking about.

in this case (you know- the one I was actually talking about) it's pretty simple, so stop muddying the waters between talking about Israel and talking about 'The Jews', you simpleton.
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post also
what's with the attitude?
do you expect you can just tire people out with your shitty insults and 'win an argument' that way?

if you actually have a serious point to make, I suspect most people here will listen even if you DONT call them a cunt.
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post There were more than one offending social media posts.
I know the one you were referring to. It didn't mention Jews. Another one did. You called me a liar when you said she never referred to Jews. She did. The attitude is uncool. But you're not fully appraised of all the facts so I got very angry and obnoxious. I'm sick of all the apologists, especially when they only know about one part of the story.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post fair enough
I'm not defending her comments, just want to make sure that if she is expelled, that its for the things she actually said.
and no, I don't know everything she said.

if only the sum of all her communications is considered anti-semitic, then lets say she that she said A, B and C. but can we not mash them together to save time.

"You called me a liar when you said she never referred to Jews"
also, I never call you a liar, and I didn't say that she never referred to Jews.
 (Melatonin, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 19:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post OK. I have been very rude and obnoxious,
But your IMPLICATION, and not my inference, was crystal clear. Rest easy knowing that my egregious insults reflect very badly on me. My flaws are legion. Nevertheless, your fatous sixth common room Marxism is more tedious than toothache. However my aggressive and offensive replies to yours do undermine my credibility. You're still a cunt though, comrade. But I bear you no ill will in reality. I hope you and yours live long and prosper.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 20:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Who's being coy now?

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post It really doesn't matter whether she said Jews or Israelis.
Racism is racism whether it's based on skin colour, ethnicity, religion, or nationality.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're missing the point.
She's been pulled up on several social media posts. In the relocate Israel to America one, the word Jew isn't used, so some idiots are saying it's not naughty. However in another post she does use the word Jews, whereas had she used the word Israelis it wouldn't really been an issue, it was about a vote on something.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 15:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm pretty sure I'm not missing the point...
...since I'm definitely agreeing with you...?
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post No!
Can't you see I'm in full on argument mode? I've gone full retard.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 17:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post I see.

(eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 21:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post and you think she meant
arab israelis? It kinda proves that by 'israeli' she meant 'jew'
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, because not all Israelis are Jews, and neither are all Jews Israelis.
So to equate the two just displays your own bigotry and ignorance.
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't forget Labour has a habit of ignoring the blatantly racist things their MPs say.
That bigoted harridan Diane Abbott is still in their pin-up calendar ffs.

If a tory MP had made these comments the left would be howling like chimps at a free PG Tips convention.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Are you calling Diane Abbott a monkey?
Raaaacissstt!!!
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh god no.
I like monkeys.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post probably can add to that:
0) guido fawkes digs up 2 year old facebook page, says they should be fired for anti-semitism

2.5) guido fawkes and newspapers say Labour now in crisis/chaos/meltdown etc


Not that I'm claiming some sort of conspiracy, nor that the aforementioned politicians' remarks weren't stupid.

It does seem to revolve around some people believing that:
- (anti)-zionism
- antisemitism
- criticism of the Israeli government's actions
- criticism of the concepts and beliefs of Judaism

...are all exactly the same thing.
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Isn't that whole "She said that..." part of the problem? Why can't we have reports that tell us "She said..." with a copy and paste of what she actually said?

I still don't know what Naz Shah said because no one wants to tell me. Not even the BBC.

How can I decide if it is relevant to me, if I don't know what it is.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Fri 29 Apr 2016, 12:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post From what I can gather, the post was simply an image
depicting the outline of the state of Israel within the outline of the United States of America, with the caption 'Problem solved'.

Although obviously to some around here 'Problem solved' means the same thing as 'Final solution' and off they go again...
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bit more to it than that, though it seems you aren't really interested in the truth, just the bias of your own opinions
There some handy links below.

Ultimately I get the impression she thinks Israel is the big villain, jews are on land that historically belongs to muslims (factually incorrect), and a solution would be to move Israel's population to America, which would solve nothing if you think about it as virtually all the conflict in the Middle_east is rooted within branches of Islam itself. So she seems like a bit of a twat, as well as obviously a bigoted one
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's all here:
order-order.com/2016/04/27/naz-shah-suspended-by-labour/

And there's a piece in the Guardian reminding us why Ken Livingstone is a racist cunt: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/28/antisemitism-rocked-labour-self-belief
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think I will be reading that
What did she say? Why can't anyone seem to answer that?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Here's one example:
order-order.com/2016/04/26/naz-shah-the-jews-are-rallying/
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post She tried to rig a poll on the Daily Mirror website?
I don't think I will voting for this terrible terrible woman. It's the honest journalists at The Mirror who are the real victims here. Who knows, if it wasn't for this womans actions, usVsTh3m may still be running.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Fri 29 Apr 2016, 15:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post You appear to be a tad retarded

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Could be worse.
I could be a Jew.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Fri 29 Apr 2016, 21:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post John Mann is a cunt
and needs to get off that band wagon.
 (LetsGetDownToIt, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Although it should be noted that just because your brain is 'functioning'
It doesn't necessarily mean you're not still a fucking idiot incapable of independent thought.
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:31, , Reply)