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This is a link post Petition for proportional representation in the next General Election

Sorry, I posted one last night I made myself. This is a different one, with more votes. It's got to be good for democracy, regardless of your political persuasion, right?
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 9:56, Reply)
This is a normal post The creator of the petition has missed a trick here.
I will only consider petitions that have appalling grammar, blocks of upper case text for no apparent reason and no punctuation. Also the creator is making it clear what they want rather than a rambling stream of gibberish.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:24, Reply)
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Oh yeah?

*comment regarding validity of petition*

*stats and article regarding voting system*

*loads more bollocks that if you disagree with i'll just ignore or, better still, put you on ignore for disagreeing with me, because i'm always right*

And that's why this just won't work, or something.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Vote Bready!

(I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:35, Reply)
This is a normal post fucking bready
coming over here, taking our outrage!
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:38, Reply)
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*indignant tone in response*

*spurious comment relating to your point*

*possible scenarios based on nothing dressed up as FACT so as to not have to admit i might be wrong*

*ignores all future comments to this one as i'm right, i know i'm right and it's just everyone else who is too dumb enough to realise they're wrong*

*maintains lofty opinion of self*
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 11:34, Reply)
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Whys that then? ;)
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:52, Reply)
This is a normal post How many seats would UKIP have got at the least general elect under PR?
They got four million votes, which is more than the total the SNP got. PR over represents minorities and the lunatic fringe. FPTP isn't perfect but it does eliminate the nutters and the irrelevant.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:56, Reply)
This is a normal post It would have looked like this [FPTP in brackets]
Conservative 241 [331]
Labour 199 [232]
Scottish National 31 [56]
Liberal Democrat 51 [8]
Democratic Unionist 4 [8]
Sinn Féin 4 [4]
Plaid Cymru 4 [3]
SDLP 2 [3]
Ulster Unionist 2 [2]
UKIP 83 [1]
Green 25 [1]
Others 4 [1]

So go for PR if you want green racism.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 11:36, Reply)
This is a normal post For every cross that is burnt in your front garden
they offset the carbon output by planting 5 new trees.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 11:43, Reply)
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is it too late to like this reply?
 (I helped save b3ta! antmulder Flick your icefloss, Wed 29 Jun 2016, 0:07, Reply)
This is a normal post It doesn't really eliminate them, it just hides them so they can't make arses of themselves.
Meanwhile they still kick up a fuss, sometimes getting enough sympathy to no longer be considered an underdog, necessarily.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 17:39, Reply)
This is a normal post As someone who lives in a country with PR, I have to disagree.
With PR, politicians are remote and unreachable. They are not accountable for their voting, as the voter does not elect a person, but a party. A voter never knows what he/she is getting when you vote for a party, as no party will ever get a majority so coalitions have to be made, deals done and manifesto's ignored. You have no person actually represent you or your area in parliament, and the politico's know it. With PR, no minister will ever lose a seat, no matter how sick the public is of him or her.
With PR, you turn all the power to a very, very small group of party leaders, any and all dissidence will result in expulsion.

I'd stick with FPtP if I were you. Even with its flaws, it is a much more democratic and direct influence for the electorate than PR can ever be.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 11:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Neither system is perfect
FPTP seems to produce a lack of choice resulting in people feeling that no one is representing them. This disillusionment seems to result in the likes of Trump and Farage, politicians who rely on anger at the mainstream politics allowing them to deny the political and economic realities in which governments must work.
 (emptyspace, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 12:01, Reply)
This is a normal post If people voted for the candidate not the party, politics would be much better and more accountable
[Full disclosure: I used to work for this organisation www.independentnetwork.org.uk/]
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 12:39, Reply)
This is a normal post It also leads to voter apathy. I have never voted for the winning candidate in any election
Therefore I am unrepresented and every vote has essentially been a wasted vote. Under FPTP if you lose you may as well have not voted.
 (I helped save b3ta! Peej, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 13:59, Reply)
This is a normal post And how is this different from PR?
I haven't voted in ages. I just draw a massive CDC on the ballot paper
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post I imagine that under PR you won't feel your vote is wasted as it will go towards the total when deciding how many MPs you get. Lib Dem Supporters for example would be far happier with the result.
It would also help with tactical voting. I hate the idea that someone feels they have to vote for someone other than who they would like to win because they feel its the only way to stop someone else.

Drawing a CDC is still better than not voting at all. Spoiled ballots are at least counted.
 (I helped save b3ta! Peej, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 14:40, Reply)
This is a normal post You're missing the point.
You don't vote for 'someone', you don't get 'someone', you don't have an MP to call your own.
In PR, you vote for the party leaders, that's it. The rest of the MP's are merely filling seats and have no power or influence. In addition, you don't even know what the party you vote for is going to do, because they must form a coalition, and election manifesto's are worthless after the election. So, a bit like what happened with that tuition fee thing of the LibDems, only under PR it will be every time after every election on every election promise. That's why it takes weeks or even months to form a government after an election here.

Under FPTP, at least you have an MP in your area, who has surgery and you can call him or her a cunt to his/her face. You have an option to get rid of your MP at election time. No such delights for the PR voter.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:23, Reply)
This is a normal post That still seems preferable to having a government with only 30% of the popular vote.

(I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 16:11, Reply)
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Also it makes for a very fractured govt or should I say constant power sharing with no overall majority. In some countries this works, it would never work in the UK, especially now where all the parties are ripping themselves apart from the insides. Could you imagine a Labour /UKIP-EDL-Britain First/Tory govt? Then after 6 months it collapses and everyone has to go out and vote again. NL is democracy on steroids and myself think it is a bad thing. You should see the voting booklets here they are like mini novels in the big cities. Also the same party might put up 2-3 candidates for the same seat, one might run for XXX part of the vote - the other might run on a sole issue like dog dirt in the street or protecting the trees - it is really that silly!
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Which form of PR and where out of curiosity?
STV has always been a standard option of the more popular campaigns for PR, particularly because it could allow for more representation in pre-existing constituencies, an ability not to have to see a person you disagree with who's in a safe seat. The downside is this arguably leads to more MPs when up until recently government was asking for less.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 17:36, Reply)
This is a normal post As someone who lives in a country with Limmy, I have to say
I quite like the mixed member system we have up here. Sort of a best of both worlds situation. You elect a constituency MSP who is accountable to the local area and can campaign for local issues, and there's a PR list, so the smaller parties get more representation than in fptp.
 (Roger McGough-Pipe, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 20:38, Reply)
This is a normal post supposedly the saving grace of first past the post is that it keeps the crackpots out
not so sure
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 11:23, Reply)
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We need some sanctimonious cunt with a massively inflated estimation of his own intellect to patronize us for a while and tell us we are all wrong. He seems to be on a break but I am sure he will be along soon to tell us how wrong we all are.
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 14:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Surprised he hasn't got you on ignore also.
I particularly enjoyed the last election when he shielded himself with the moral high ground by saying he was a Green voter so nobody could have a go at him, whilst allowing him to have a go at EVERYONE on here.

Yet before that and since has always gone on about being a Labour supporter.

Funny that, anyone would think he was some kind of cunt.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 14:58, Reply)
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Depends who we are talking about - theres a whole fucking list of sanctimonious cunts here these days.
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Just let me leave this straw man here and handily fuck off for a few hours as you disagree with me.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:15, Reply)
This is a normal post *threshes straw man*
*mills*
*bakes*
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:20, Reply)
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Burns down strawman ;) I am agreeing with you just not sure we are alluding to the same person is what I am saying.
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Tue 28 Jun 2016, 15:50, Reply)