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Well obviously I wasn't, but this guy was, and apart from shedding a from light on what it was like in there he also has a fair bit to say about why it panned out how it did and who really does deserve to be blamed.
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Saying the cladding was shit but hey, we travel around with flammable petrol in cars as if that's the same. then saying that no one should be sent to prison for this... even if they should be...?
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they planned it from the beginning
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great quote referencing 'lions led by donkeys' quickly shut down and the subject swiftly moved on to football related lightheartedness. well lol. they had lots of thoughts and prayers to broadcast tho, inviting tweets and texts too, so that's something at least.
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Interesting read but does wax poetic towards and at the end.
My cousin was on scene for 22 hours straight and this has royally fused his head.
I am in the Construction Industry and everything I see in the journals and industry press still do not address key failings by all members of the key members of the project team.
They were paid to oversee and make professional decisions.
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did you ever see an elephant fly? we may well soon...
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I imagine it's a VE exercise gone very wrong and I bet there's a few twitchy arses at the moment..
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And I understand that that is the basis of fire spread prevention in a block. I support that.
The problem is though that that assumes that keeping the doors shut will inhibit the spread of a fire. That a fire would spread from the inside of a block outward. In Grenfell that was categorically not the case. Grenfell burned from the outside in and was spreading uncontrollably from an early stage, something that the people on scene should have recognised much earlier.
There is rarely one cause to a disaster, usually a chain of events and decisions have to occur beforehand. Change one of those, and you change the outcome. Sticking to the “stay put” advice on the night in spite of the evidence that it was failing was not the primary cause, but it would seem to be a major contributory factor.
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saves on fitting fire escapes, etc. the whole debacle seems to highlight a profit before people mindset
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I don't think his conclusion, that everyone just sort of drifted into this mess, stands up though; though I fully respect his right to have that opinion. We elect people to regulate society, which sort of seems to have been the issue here with that cladding.
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