This sums up my feelings on the subject.
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/25/and-now-its-time-for-childrens-hour/
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Tusk knows where you live, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:33,
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with all due respect
That site is very obviously fucking clown shoes.
Just glancing at the way they choose to chart their data lets you understand they are in the business of spreading confusion and doubt rather than clarity and knowledge.
Have you considered reading the now famous IPCC report instead?
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
edit: fwiw this is the one Thunberg submitted to Congress, with the message 'listen to the scientists'
for comparison, the author of your article, reportedly by his own admission, has no relevant qualifications:
thinkprogress.org/heartland-denial-conference-special-guest-lord-monckton-goes-birther-admits-he-has-no-scientific-9bf0847fc336/
this is a Poe's Law thing right? right?!
It's just not funny any more, shit's about the get continually more serious, and this kind of shit is making things harder.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:45, Reply)
Perhaps if we continue to fuck up the planet at the rate we are, eventually we'll make it uninhabitable for ourselves.
We'll all die, then the Earth can get on with restoring the balance.
I suspect that's how it'll eventually play out anyway. We've had more than enough time to get our act together, but instead we seem to be getting progressively worse as a species.
I'm of the opinion that we should all do our part to make the planet as nice a place to live as we possibly can, and treat our fellow species in as kind a way as we'd expect to be treated ourselves. But I'm under no illusion that we're absolutely fuckered in the long term.
As nice as it would be for the Human Race to suddenly have a moment of clarity and find a way to co-exist with each other and the rest of the inhabitants of this little rock whilst fulfilling our materialistic needs in a completely carbon neutral fashion, it's just not going to happen. And some 16 year old nordic kid isn't going to change that. It's just in our nature to selfishly consume.
At the end of the day, the vast majority of these activists are campaigning due to the threat climate change poses to us. I'm sure they think a lot about all the cute Polar Bears and Apes and stuff, too. But primarily it's about saving their own arses, and their children's arses. It's a hugely selfish endeavour really.
If you want to save the planet, stop making more bloody children. If you can do that, you've made a bigger change than a lifetime of campaigning and recycling would make.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:22, Reply)
you sound depressed mate
and fatalistic.
I'm not criticizing. It's perfectly natural when you think long enough about this issue. (remember you mentioned Thunberg herself had a history of depression, it's the same thing.)
You're wrong though, people are stepping up for each other, and the outcome is far from decided.
If you start to make a few small steps, it can help foster a sense of hope, and we are going to need it, because our entire social systems (not just individuals) are going to have to make some quick, but entirely possible, course corrections. like, now.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:41, Reply)
Not depressed.
Just pragmatic. I'll be long gone before the shit hits the fan (hopefully). Safe in the knowledge I haven't spawned any offspring to suffer it.
Anyway, I highly doubt its climate change that'll do us in. Its far more likely to be a pandemic, the singularity, or a war for natural resources.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:47, Reply)
pretty dark take
I'm with you on the no kids, but I intend to also leave a slightly less... "fuck you, future", legacy.
imo focusing on potential annihilation is anything but pragmatic, focusing on avoid it would the sensible approach.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:10, Reply)
Anthropocentric environmentalism doesn't appeal to me either
but as climate change is linked to biodiversity loss and human overpopulation, what Greta is doing can't be a bad thing. And I don't get the impression she was groomed by pushy parents.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:36,
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Silly argument to not have kids
What if your progeny would've turned out to bea John Connor type? Youve condemned us all, cheers
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ProjectWeasel The Bird is the Word, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 14:43,
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Yes, Monkton has no scientific qualifications.
As opposed to Thunberg, who is of course a fully qualified climatologist. Not ten years ago, she would be considered a petulent adolescent that would be sent to her room. I think Monkton has as much right to voice his opinions as she has.
Fact is, IPCC maths do not add up and their predictions have been consistently wrong.
Yes, the climate is changing, as it has for the past 4 billion years.It's what climate does, it is not a stable thing. Yes, it's warming up globally. It's what happens to a planet that's in the tail end of an ice age.
All this CO2 bullshit is diverting attention from the very real problem of pollution that is actually shortening the lives of millions right now.
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Tusk knows where you live, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:30,
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I see it's for real then
Thunberg has the good grace to take direction from reputable sources.
Monkton has his opinion and little more.
on IPCC wrongness... how wrong are we talking here, climate science is a tricky beast.
you ever read this one, clever guy that Asimov is turns out: chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
some degrees of wrongness are acceptable when you are talking in terms of confidence intervals.
on whether the climate has changed rapidly since the industrial revolution (ie. if mankind might have had a hand, or if this is just the tail end of an ice age), have you not seen the uptick?
It's quite clearly very sudden.
this guy has a nice (sourced, also fun?) diagram
xkcd.com/1732/
on CO2, why do you think that's bullshit?
And it's also diverting attention away from cancer, and gun crime. we can think about more than one problem at once.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:00, Reply)
^ Oh, absolutely this
This is an unprecedented uptick which is now proven to be linked to the human industrial revolution. Scientists are no longer saying correlation - now it's causation. And we are the cause
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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 21:12,
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In the mid-80's they were saying most of the UK would be under water by 2020.
Still got a few months to look out my snorkel, at least.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:06, Reply)
This, ^^^
But the. What’s the fucking point any more? The truth - and more importantly the search for truth- has been killed. And we did it. By which I mean the internet. And now every single thing is fucked. It’s back to the Middle Ages with a class of monks acting as a holder for reality and the rest of us peasants believing what we’re told or else getting burned for Hersey after picking up some made up idea about the: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheese_and_the_Worms
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 20:50,
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that's bullshit
terrible stupid shit. You can't pick and choose reality.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:48, Reply)
who, me?
For example, if it's a choice between listening to someone who tells you that rain is made of water, or listening to someone who tells you rain is made of magic, you actually can 'pick and choose' who you find credible.
Same thing here.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:19, Reply)