I'm not angry with Greta Thunberg.
I actually feel a bit sorry for her. Christ knows what kind of toll all this exposure is putting on a 16 year old girl with Aspergers and a history of other psychological problems.
My issue is the way that she's clearly been groomed for this by her pushy parents and the way that the lefties in particular have been fetishising her as if she's some kind of prophet come to guide us into an age of ecological righteousness.
She's an absolute bastion for the type of thick cunts swallow up Corbyn's promises of enormous increases to Minimum Wage and abolition of Public Schools and Universal Credit. She speaks of how evil large corporations are for poisoning our planet, but doesn't really come up with any sort of solution to the problem other than 'stop doing it right now!'. She's a spokesperson for SJW's and Slacktivists of the planet who don't really understand how the world works. The type of people who slap themselves on the back for doing the recycling every week, cutting down on red meat and 'boycotting' products containing Palm Oil, yet gladly continue to reproduce and drive their 2.4 children the 500 yards to school in their Seven Seat SUV.
You can't blame Greta for all this, though. She's a child. You can only blame the cunts coercing her and the cunts hanging off every word she parrots as if she's a pigtailed second coming of Jesus.
Dominic Green wrote a great piece about the Cult of St. Greta in the Spectator the other day.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 15:56, Reply)
Greta Thunburg is 16 years old.
She isn't a vulnerable small child.
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notoolsovernight you're all luvvly an' 'orrible, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:04,
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She's a 16 year old with Aspergers, Selective Mutism and a history of depression.
Who's been flung on to the word stage to go toe to toe with some of the most powerful people and corporations on the planet.
That makes her seem pretty vulnerable to me.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:07, Reply)
In a general sense, yes
That line of activism can be dangerous.
Deaths are reported to have doubled over the last 15 years.
Kind of all the more reason to respect her no?
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:16, Reply)
I think there is something in the idea that she's in a vulnerable position.
It's just that most cunts making that point are also abusing her appearance and sharing clickbait articles attacking things other than her message at the same time. Call me cynical, but that makes me think they may not actually care about her well-being at all.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 21:31,
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I read
a good point the other day.
A lot of the same people who claim Greta Thunberg at 16 is under the influence of adults and is not responsible for her own words are the same people who claim that Shamima Begum was acting under her own judgement when she ran away at 15 to be an Isis bride...
Can't have it both ways.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:56,
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You can
Because they are two completely different people and situations
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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 20:43,
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Of course
the 15-year-old is completely cognizant of their situation, yet the 16-year-old is under the influence of adults and it does not depend on whether you agree with the conclusions they draw.
One is a terrorist and the other is a puppet of the environmentalists.
You are totally right.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 30 Sep 2019, 0:20,
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That isn't what I said
Two different people - think differently, different culturally, different situations, different levels of independence, different thought processes. You can't just compare based on the fact that they are almost the same age. Also, I am not suggesting that either was a puppet or had their own individual thoughts. I am just stating that the article you read comparing them is intrinsically flawed
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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Mon 30 Sep 2019, 10:24,
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You need to ring that number right fucking now
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:08,
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today you are The Candles Coulter Fan Club
be merry
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Woodkovsky ☹️➝🚻➝🚽➝😣➝💩➝🧻➝😁, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 20:05,
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Please put out your candles as this is causing Global warming and recycle via your local candle centre
Happy flames regardless
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 21:08,
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No, no.
Every cunt for themselves, fuck everything else, I'm fully aware of the rules.
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George Blank my 2nd last sig was funny, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:57,
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I agree
It's the sycophants I can't stand more than the girl herself. But on the other hand: if you listen to this ( youtu.be/Q4mLKRCL2z8 ), you end up thinking that we need a socio-political catalyst of some kind and it may as well be her. Despite everything unlikable about the situation, it's probably very fucking good for the planet
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:11, Reply)
exactly
She's put the time in, she knows her shit, and she's not afraid to speak it.
I'm not suggesting the sycophants don't exist, just that you don't have to be a one to respect her achievements.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:20, Reply)
^This^
I've been scouting for a way to express my feelings towards this and you've just nailed it for me.
(, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 11:12, Reply)
If it takes an alarmist message
to wake up the mass of consumers to the consequences of endless mindless consumption, I can live with that.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:45,
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That all sounds more about you than Greta Thunberg. Corbyn and the minimum wage?
Thunberg is delivering a straightforward message with s lot of determination. You may not agree with her (which is fine) but all this "vulnerable kid with mental health issues, groomed by adult handlers for their own nefarious ends" stuff is just a way of avoiding engaging with the issues she's raising.
Fair play to her, she's managed to rile a load of complacent, patronising adults.
(, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 1:43, Reply)
I'm not interested in her raising issues. We all know what the issues facing our environment are.
I'd much rather hear her suggest potentially viable solutions. She's a complete novelty act. An 'out of the mouth of babes' routine. Really, though, she's said nothing new.
Has she come up with any plan of action besides "I want you to stop it because you're all being really, really selfish"?
(, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 10:09, Reply)
Why should she come up with a solution?
Just because I point out that a building is on fire doesn't mean i'm responsible for putting it out.
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rjmrjm, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 13:07,
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There are already loads of other people shouting that the building is on fire.
It's not as if she's the first to raise the alarm.
(, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 13:15, Reply)
Yes.
But those who can do something about it are currently saying “No it’s not“ despite all evidence to the contrary.
Her contribution is simply to hold those people’s feet in the flames to get them to acknowledge that denial is not a viable solution.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 16:02,
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None of them have got thousands of kids out on the streets or agitated complacent adults in the way that she has.
Are you really criticising a 16 year old because she's not articulating solutions to complex problems that satisfy your demanding standards?
(, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 17:06, Reply)
Mate
You don't half go on.
Think she has been astonishingly clear that she wants to shift the focus from personal responsibility to government action, the opposite of what you're saying here. Unless you "don't believe in climate change" in which case why not just say so and move on?
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Zuowan, Mon 30 Sep 2019, 18:59,
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You know, I'm torn here.
On one hand I want to reason with you. On the other, this is clearly winding you up something rotten and it would be more true to the spirit of b3ta to flood the board with posts about her til you block me. Luckily for both of us, I can't be bothered.
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Zuowan, Mon 30 Sep 2019, 19:02,
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This sums up my feelings on the subject.
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/25/and-now-its-time-for-childrens-hour/
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Tusk knows where you live, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:33,
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with all due respect
That site is very obviously fucking clown shoes.
Just glancing at the way they choose to chart their data lets you understand they are in the business of spreading confusion and doubt rather than clarity and knowledge.
Have you considered reading the now famous IPCC report instead?
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
edit: fwiw this is the one Thunberg submitted to Congress, with the message 'listen to the scientists'
for comparison, the author of your article, reportedly by his own admission, has no relevant qualifications:
thinkprogress.org/heartland-denial-conference-special-guest-lord-monckton-goes-birther-admits-he-has-no-scientific-9bf0847fc336/
this is a Poe's Law thing right? right?!
It's just not funny any more, shit's about the get continually more serious, and this kind of shit is making things harder.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 16:45, Reply)
Perhaps if we continue to fuck up the planet at the rate we are, eventually we'll make it uninhabitable for ourselves.
We'll all die, then the Earth can get on with restoring the balance.
I suspect that's how it'll eventually play out anyway. We've had more than enough time to get our act together, but instead we seem to be getting progressively worse as a species.
I'm of the opinion that we should all do our part to make the planet as nice a place to live as we possibly can, and treat our fellow species in as kind a way as we'd expect to be treated ourselves. But I'm under no illusion that we're absolutely fuckered in the long term.
As nice as it would be for the Human Race to suddenly have a moment of clarity and find a way to co-exist with each other and the rest of the inhabitants of this little rock whilst fulfilling our materialistic needs in a completely carbon neutral fashion, it's just not going to happen. And some 16 year old nordic kid isn't going to change that. It's just in our nature to selfishly consume.
At the end of the day, the vast majority of these activists are campaigning due to the threat climate change poses to us. I'm sure they think a lot about all the cute Polar Bears and Apes and stuff, too. But primarily it's about saving their own arses, and their children's arses. It's a hugely selfish endeavour really.
If you want to save the planet, stop making more bloody children. If you can do that, you've made a bigger change than a lifetime of campaigning and recycling would make.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:22, Reply)
you sound depressed mate
and fatalistic.
I'm not criticizing. It's perfectly natural when you think long enough about this issue. (remember you mentioned Thunberg herself had a history of depression, it's the same thing.)
You're wrong though, people are stepping up for each other, and the outcome is far from decided.
If you start to make a few small steps, it can help foster a sense of hope, and we are going to need it, because our entire social systems (not just individuals) are going to have to make some quick, but entirely possible, course corrections. like, now.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:41, Reply)
Not depressed.
Just pragmatic. I'll be long gone before the shit hits the fan (hopefully). Safe in the knowledge I haven't spawned any offspring to suffer it.
Anyway, I highly doubt its climate change that'll do us in. Its far more likely to be a pandemic, the singularity, or a war for natural resources.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:47, Reply)
pretty dark take
I'm with you on the no kids, but I intend to also leave a slightly less... "fuck you, future", legacy.
imo focusing on potential annihilation is anything but pragmatic, focusing on avoid it would the sensible approach.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:10, Reply)
Anthropocentric environmentalism doesn't appeal to me either
but as climate change is linked to biodiversity loss and human overpopulation, what Greta is doing can't be a bad thing. And I don't get the impression she was groomed by pushy parents.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:36,
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Silly argument to not have kids
What if your progeny would've turned out to bea John Connor type? Youve condemned us all, cheers
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ProjectWeasel The Bird is the Word, Sun 29 Sep 2019, 14:43,
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Yes, Monkton has no scientific qualifications.
As opposed to Thunberg, who is of course a fully qualified climatologist. Not ten years ago, she would be considered a petulent adolescent that would be sent to her room. I think Monkton has as much right to voice his opinions as she has.
Fact is, IPCC maths do not add up and their predictions have been consistently wrong.
Yes, the climate is changing, as it has for the past 4 billion years.It's what climate does, it is not a stable thing. Yes, it's warming up globally. It's what happens to a planet that's in the tail end of an ice age.
All this CO2 bullshit is diverting attention from the very real problem of pollution that is actually shortening the lives of millions right now.
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Tusk knows where you live, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:30,
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I see it's for real then
Thunberg has the good grace to take direction from reputable sources.
Monkton has his opinion and little more.
on IPCC wrongness... how wrong are we talking here, climate science is a tricky beast.
you ever read this one, clever guy that Asimov is turns out: chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
some degrees of wrongness are acceptable when you are talking in terms of confidence intervals.
on whether the climate has changed rapidly since the industrial revolution (ie. if mankind might have had a hand, or if this is just the tail end of an ice age), have you not seen the uptick?
It's quite clearly very sudden.
this guy has a nice (sourced, also fun?) diagram
xkcd.com/1732/
on CO2, why do you think that's bullshit?
And it's also diverting attention away from cancer, and gun crime. we can think about more than one problem at once.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:00, Reply)
^ Oh, absolutely this
This is an unprecedented uptick which is now proven to be linked to the human industrial revolution. Scientists are no longer saying correlation - now it's causation. And we are the cause
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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 21:12,
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In the mid-80's they were saying most of the UK would be under water by 2020.
Still got a few months to look out my snorkel, at least.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:06, Reply)
This, ^^^
But the. What’s the fucking point any more? The truth - and more importantly the search for truth- has been killed. And we did it. By which I mean the internet. And now every single thing is fucked. It’s back to the Middle Ages with a class of monks acting as a holder for reality and the rest of us peasants believing what we’re told or else getting burned for Hersey after picking up some made up idea about the: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheese_and_the_Worms
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 20:50,
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that's bullshit
terrible stupid shit. You can't pick and choose reality.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 17:48, Reply)
who, me?
For example, if it's a choice between listening to someone who tells you that rain is made of water, or listening to someone who tells you rain is made of magic, you actually can 'pick and choose' who you find credible.
Same thing here.
(, Sat 28 Sep 2019, 18:19, Reply)
I suspect the only thing that can save us is an iron fisted one world government. Which in turn will make life not worth living.
I'm not depressed. I think it's funny.
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