I would rather we had a billion of those hypocrites than a thousand fanatics with power, stupidity and wealth.
(, Fri 14 Aug 2020, 13:47, Reply)
Extinction rebellion has their own fanatics
As an organisation, it’s already high on its own sense of certainty. See, for example, the way that it recently put out a statement denouncing anyone who doesn’t agree with the vocal but niche cause of trans rights activism, and says that there’s no place in extinction rebellion for such people. I don’t know about you, but I don’t think you can realistically claim you’re wanting a global movement against climate change if one of your eligibility criteria is “must believe penises can be female”
These cunts demonstrate continually that they are more interested in being able to be on the right side of history, than they are about actually doing the difficult work that would allow progress to be made
(, Fri 14 Aug 2020, 13:59, Reply)
Having an interest in being 'on the right side of history' strongly suggests a desire to have a future.
and isn't staging mass protests and demonstrations 'the difficult work that would allow progress to be made'? Surely the difficult work is shaping public opinion to influence political policy to legislate against harmful practices?
I don't think Extinction Rebellion itself has as much to say about trans rights as their critics do.
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brb welcome to my reed organ repair blog, Fri 14 Aug 2020, 15:10,
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That wasn’t the point.
The point is that by publicly denouncing anyone within their movement who isn’t on board with a niche cause, they are taking a movement that should be open to anyone who wants a future, and making it dependent on a narrow set of views that *arent* simply about the environment.
I don’t particularly think protests are hard work. The hard work is in persuading enough people to make actual change
(, Sat 15 Aug 2020, 14:08, Reply)
That was the point that I responded to, and that was the way I responded.
I see no reference to trans people here: extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/about-us/
Apparently mumsnet are furious about a facebook post someone made that said ER stands with trans people against TERFs and media attacks. I'm not on mumsnet or facebook and I don't see why I should care about what happens in those places.
I'm also not afraid or threatened in any way by trans people. I am threatened, along with my entire ecosystem, by environmentally harmful practices. Opposition to harm against the planet is not conditional on some facebook user's opinion on trans rights.
WRT your comments about protests and convincing people to change, you seem confused. Protests do actually persuade people to change their minds.
The slavery abolitionists and campaigners for universal suffrage 'had their own fanatics' and faced criticism identical to yours.
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brb welcome to my reed organ repair blog, Sat 15 Aug 2020, 14:55,
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I think that my statement wasn't agreeing with everything that they are saying but rather that I would rather have a billion of those... than a thousand of the other.
My personal feeling is that there is a naivety on one side of the argument and and ignorance on the other.
Not quite sure I get "wanting to be on the right side of history" means as an issue. I read that as when we look back, history will vindicate their views?
(, Fri 14 Aug 2020, 15:10, Reply)