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This is a link post What's Wrong with Wind and Solar?
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(I helped save b3ta! SpookySpoon www.vivino.com/users/hig.func, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 11:25, Reply)
This is a normal post I suspect that channel might be a bit biased toward fracking.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 11:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
 (I helped save b3ta! SpookySpoon www.vivino.com/users/hig.func, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 12:59, Reply)
This is a normal post he said "you shouldn't always trust wikipedia", which isn't the same thing at all
he seems to bummed that wikipedia imposes editorial standards which it didn't when it started.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 14:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Bloody wiki, citing sources and links to backup the text...
The organization depends on donations to produce its content. Much of PragerU's early funding came from hydraulic fracturing (fracking) billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks. Two members of the Wilks family sit on PragerU's board. The next-largest donor is the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation. Other donors include the Morgan Family Foundation, Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund, Donors Trust, the late Republican megadonor Sheldon Adelson, Lee Roy Mitchell, and the Minnesota-based Sid and Carol Verdoorn Foundation, led by former C.H. Robinson CEO Sid Verdoorn
 (midnightrambler, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 13:13, Reply)
This is a normal post even that critique is poorly lacking
the argument has never been "we need enough batteries to capture all of the electricity currently being generated". It's a moronic assumption. countries that increased renewables have had reliable power generation because they only needed enough capacit to cover the shortfall in fluctuation, less so when you have a mix of renewables. And they've also found the power plants don't need to do as much because households are now getting their own roof and battery supplies to supplement the grid, as prices keep falling. There are now 5 countries on 100% renewable, with a bunch more over 50%. so what is the point of saying it would take some tesla factory, which is dedicated to making car batteries, 500 years to produce enough batteries for some thing that will never be needed? It's already fucking happening. you can run a whole country on renewables
The argument about efficiency is also irrelevant. Only the cost per MW is what matters commercially, though the obvious point is that nobody cares about the 70% of sunlight and wind that you waste, while the 50% or so wastage of coal plants lost in heat come in the shape of burning coal that you've dug up and turned into CO2 and other pollutants, as well as fucking the local water table aquifers and leaving a great hole in the ground and big ass plant that needs decommissioning when the seams runs out that nobody factored into their costing. Ah, fuck. I ended up deconstructing it after all.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 15:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Those 5 100% renewable countries are absolutely tiny,
to the point of total insignificance in any discussion about global energy demand.

And almost all their energy comes from hydroelectric or geothermal sources, which simply are not practical alternatives in the vast majority of places, and they also come with their own environmental issues.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 17:08, Reply)
This is a normal post If only hot air could be harnessed as a renewable. It certainly abounds.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 22:12, Reply)
This is a normal post what an original and witty observation. It must be the first time anyone has ever used that line

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 0:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, Norway's not that small and Brazil is at 75% renewables and it's got 200 million people
but I take your point, the point I was making was about batteries and the claim made in the vid, and there's plenty of examples of countries that have shifted to wind and solar have found they've been able to scale battery capacity to manage these fluctuations. Spain now gets 50% more from wind than coal. In Australia, an example I'm quite familiar with was south australia, which now gets 60% from wind and solar. There was identical fear mongering along the lines of this video when SA proposed at the time was the worlds biggest battery farm, "it's not going to be reliable when there's no wind etc.". But the warnings turned out to be hot air. The battery farm has been doing what it's supposed to do and has been making a good profit as they've sold their excess peak power from windy days to other states when they've had issues with their coal-based grids at times. The idea that battery capacity is holding it back is false, those that have shifted have been able to scale battery storage with increased generation capacity. SA saved millions by eliminating the need for a fuel-powered ancillary service with their battery farm. Other places are following suit, with larger battery farms built or in development around the world.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 23:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Norway has a population less than that of London. It’s that small.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 11:43, Reply)
This is a normal post and yet it produces a lot more electricity than indonesia, which has 270 million people which I think is a little more than london
it's almost as if we're comparing electricity production, not population. Norway ranks 28th in the world for electricity production, out of 209.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 15:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Talk me through Norwegian oil exports.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 17:28, Reply)
This is a normal post they export a lot of oil. and cod, i'd imagine. Their capital is Oslo, which is also the name of a kind of lunch they used to serve to Australian school kids
you can find out more here: 25 fascinating facts about Norway
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 23 Jul 2021, 0:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Again though,
Brazil's renewables are mostly hydroelectric. So many thousands of km^2 of rainforest is now underwater, and tens of thousands of people have been displaced from their homes.

Building their Itaipu dam actually involved destroying some lovely natural waterfalls which were a popular tourist attraction, but much worse than that those falls acted as a natural barrier separating species before and afterwards... now invasive species from below the falls are threatening those from above.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 13:12, Reply)
This is a normal post this is all fascinating. do tell me more about Brasil, you'll have to give me your recipe for moqueca
But the video made some specific claims that a car battery factory in the US would not be able to supply capacity for the entire US's electricity production, therefore wind and solar could no be substituted for fossil fuels. I countered that this was an irrelevancy as this much battery capacity would never be needed, and that countries had been able to scale renewables to meet their needs such that battery capacity had not been a limiting factor. If you have anything to say about this, go ahead.
If you'd prefer to discuss the migratory pathways of capybaras and perhaps compare the relative harm of this hydro to that of a study published this month that because of the great drying out of the amazon and fires, the entire basin has depressingly gone from a net carbon sink to a net carbon emitter of 1 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, which will consequentially contribute to it drying out even faster as large parts of the southern and eastern forest the size of fucking france have already significantly changed their vegetation profile away from that of a rainforest, I'm happy to have this comparative discussion too
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 15:22, Reply)
This is a normal post I pointed out the renewables are not the panacea
that you and others are making them out to be, and that the specific countries that have high levels of renewables also have pretty specific situations that are not generally applicable to other countries. Most countries don't have anywhere to build the 200GW dams required.

But you appear to have taken it pretty personally for some reason.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 16:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I never said they were a panacea, I'm well aware of the issues around hydro. My comment was in response to claims made about the reliability and capacity of renewables in the video
However, and this is a side point, I do think the relative harms of the Itapui dam are dwarfed by the increasing apparent consequences of global warming caused by greenhouse gas emissions. Massive sections of amazonas transitioning to a dry sclerophyll forest or no forest at all is killing a lot more critters than the dam ever did, and is already affecting rainfall patterns and water reliability in adjoining rich agricultural areas. So renewable have that big advantage over fossil fuel generated power.
I don't take it personally, I like to argue, and B3ta is a good place to do it, as it's not as if the place matters. And the OP is quite possibly a Poe anyway. Though perhaps my general disgust levels are a little raised when during once in a thousand year heatwaves and fires in western north america, massive floods in europe and china, billionaires thought it a great idea to start space tourism, yet another source of emissions, just so ultra rich people can get a 10 minute astronaut scout badge.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 23 Jul 2021, 1:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Heh fair enough...
I personally sit on the middle in this.

I think you're right that the greenhouse gas emissions issue is the greater problem right now. But I do also get irked by the way that alternative options are often presented as an easy fix (except for fission which everyone hates even though it's clearly the best one).

I'm not gonna get fully drawn into the whole Bezos thing again, except to say that I believe his ultimate goal for pushing this space program is to get humans living in space so that we stop fucking up the planet. I read a interesting interview a number of years ago where he explained this, but I cannot for the life of me now find it (I think it was in some Airline's onboard magazine). So, no doubt he is bit of a ruthless cunt, same as Musk, but if their space programs can be made viable long term then I think that's a good thing.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 23 Jul 2021, 11:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Eh hang on is someone on b3ta unironically linking to Prager 'University' videos?
Interdasting.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 14:14, Reply)
This is a normal post i cant tell if you're serious or not
you're buying into some serious corporate right-wing propaganda
 (augsav, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 14:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Clue's in the description
(shhhh, don't tell the others)
 (I helped save b3ta! SpookySpoon www.vivino.com/users/hig.func, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 14:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I thought you were posting for ironic lols at poor argument until you posted that bit about wikipedia
there's a certain predictability to people who share these kinds of videos
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 1:11, Reply)
This is a normal post the reasoning in this video is so stupid it almost burns
I could deconstruct it but I reckon I'd be a wasted effort if you're the kind of person who would sit and watch something this bad and think "hey, this guy's makes a lot of sense. I'm going to post this so other people can learn"

I learnt about global warming in the 80s. I thought at the time that greed being what it is, we'd probably have to wait until the shitty things, like regular once in a thousand year floods, fires, heatwaves and the like actually started happening before the world all moved as one to do something about it. Now that's it's happening, I guess I underestimated just how fucking stupid and easily manipulated many people are.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 15:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, well trained consumers consuming at all costs.

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 15:17, Reply)
This is a normal post it's even more depressing, these people aren't passive
it's like if the tobacco industry persuaded millions of people to share videos about how smoking causes cancer is a hoax
I could do one using the irrelevant fact logic of the above video
"did you know cigarettes are up to 75 efficient at not causing lung cancer? did you know that more smoke is produced by cars every day than all the cigarettes smoked in a year. that's because people want you to think smoking is dangerous"
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 15:34, Reply)
This is a normal post This oil industry propaganda is probably modelled on the tobacco industry campaigns.
vintagenewsdaily.com/30-outrageous-vintage-cigarette-ads-claimed-that-more-doctors-smoke-camels-than-any-other-cigarette/

Plus all the films from the 40s onward that made smoking look sexy.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post
made smoking look sexy
accurately documented the glamour, sophistication and sexiness of smoking.

Seriously, bring back smoking on TV and films. All the villains have toothpicks these days. Toothpicks! It's ridiculous.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 16:48, Reply)
This is a normal post
these days you'd depict people standing near the skips outside shopping centres trying to suck down a marlboro in their 5 minute break. it'd only be 3rd world countries you could go all bogart and not make it fantasy
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 2:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Please do waste effort on the stupid to make them wise
I did Environmental Science GCSE, late 80s, global warming was not part of the syllabus. In fact the syllabus mainly used the example of the coming ice age theory, backed by Greenpeace and other international govts, as a how not to lesson.

A Leonard Nemoy presented film about it is on YouTube if anyone wants a real hoot. All the same people backed and funded that film as back global warming now, except isnt it a ‘climate holocaust’ in the new jargon? These are the same buy now pressure techniques a life insurance salesman might use. With the previous ice-age scare they used Mr Spock cos he is a clever tv character and that’ll convince ‘em, he had no formal training on the subject. More convincing than the teenage school drop-out by comparison, true. So the stupid is spread all over the greeny fictions as well.

In 80s Environmetal Science GCSE, I’d say the overriding common exam question was about “peak oil” and that too fell by the wayside in the intervening years. Lastly a note for an equivalence being made elsewhere here: Greenpeace is richer than many oil companies at this point, mainly due to the way they keep refreshing their product lines. Though yes, follow the money always.
 (Mind Forged Manacles Me nice to society, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 21:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Look out lads, he's got a gcse

(benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 21:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Look out lads a fallacy from authority
Point was made above about “learning about global warming in the 80s” taking an exam in the subject in that period in which it was not even prominent in the syllabus is entirely cogent. Obviously one A level counter bid trumps me, or 97% of scientists maybe.
 (Mind Forged Manacles Me nice to society, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 21:35, Reply)
This is a normal post greenpeace, as a registered charity, produce audited financial statements that anyone can read
Here is greenpeace international's financial report: www.greenpeace.org/static/planet4-international-stateless/2021/06/0639667b-greenpeace-international-combined-financial-statement-2020.pdf. Their worldwide turnover was 90 million euro, with 52 million euro in assets, which puts them as about a medium sized charity.
Now if I take Santos, which is a medium sized oil producer in Australia, a very small player by world standards. their profit was 1.8 billion.
So you're not only wrong when you say "Greenpeace is richer than many oil companies at this point", you're wrong by a factor of 100s, which takes a special kind of ignorance. So when I say "how fucking stupid people are", here's a good example. and along with many stupid people, you won't let this change your mind. you'll keep repeating this absurd claim as if you have access to some inside information. you don't.
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 0:05, Reply)
This is a normal post How do all the hippys pay for the boats when they don't even have jobs then smart arse?

(sithemong, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 14:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Now you mention it,
how does the RSPB have any money, since birds don't even have wallets? WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!!1!
 (The Porcupine From Purgatory Ningles, mateyplops! How are the kids? *smoosh*, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 15:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Did you know Oxfam hasn't saved a single fucking ox yet they still have the cheek to solicit donations?

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 23 Jul 2021, 2:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Given the username, he'll keep repeating it.
Projection seems to be endemic in far right wing circles, they are most annoyed by their own behaviour; Which they seem to have little insight into.

Ooh look, another one has had their arse kicked
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57930901
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 15:30, Reply)
This is a normal post He didn't say he passed...

(I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 21:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Greenhouse effect first recognised and human effects discussed in the 19th C.

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 21 Jul 2021, 22:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Hi, troll.
I took my GCSE Geography in the mid 90s, all our textbooks were from the 80s, and nothing at all was taught to us about a coming ice age, so you'll understand me assuming you're a fucking liar, or some sort of b0t regurgitating facebook nonsense.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 22 Jul 2021, 20:09, Reply)