I thought it was a vast improvement.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 8:29,
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I'm an insufferable lefty
but I don't think cultural appropriation is a real problem. If people want to play dress-up, that does no harm to anyone and people who think it does are probably the real racists, wanting every creed and colour to stay in its place.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 13:12,
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*cough*blackface*cough*
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 14:12,
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People get too bloody touchy about 'blackface' these days, too.
I remember seeing a video once with a bunch of folk getting all outraged because two white blokes had dressed up as Jules and Vincent from Pulp Fiction. Or that poor Australian kid who was basically getting death threats for dressing up as his favourite footballer who just happens to be black.
There's absolutely no place for people painting their faces in order to mock ethnic minorities. But there seems to be a lot of pearl clutching for the sake of pearl clutching in regards to blackface.
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Maybe it just isn't worth it given the response.
It seems a lot deeper than mere conformity.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 16:29,
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I totally agree that it's not worth it. But much of it seems like outrage for outrage sake.
Michael Jackson is an interesting one, mind. I assume it's permissible for a white person to portray MJ from the 'Bad' era onwards, but portraying 'Thriller' era MJ and earlier would be a huge no-no, despite the fact that he always identified as black?
Anyway, like you say, hardly worth the bother. Nobody is going to die because they can't dress up as MR. T or Bob Marley anymore.
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Don't know about MJ
I'm not sure he knew who he was, a person who appeared to have complex issues.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 17:29,
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he issued a lot into young boys' mouths
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 20 Aug 2021, 1:13,
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Okay yeah, in films and whatnot. Get a real black actor.
If you want to do a really accurate Mr. T cosplay though... IDK. Seems problematic, but it shouldn't be. If you're blacking up to mock black people, then surely it's the mocking that's at issue more than the makeup.
It's not really the same issue as a non-Muslim woman dressing up in a burka.
If a Mongolian wants to wear sock suspenders, or a Chadian wants to wear a bowler hat, I do not feel my culture is being harmed or threatened. If a Mauri wants a Celtic tattoo, so what? If a Welsh Patagonian wants to wear a bindi to a Jewish wedding where the Micronesian groom wears a Scottish kilt, fine.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 14:57,
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Probably more about the history of racial oppression than the actual act.
Just because "it shouldn't be" doesn't mean it won't be interpreted as at least insensitive, if not deeply offensive.
Yes, get an actor of the particular skin colour/accent required.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 16:23,
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Oh I understand it's a social no-no
but I still think there's a difference between a white person blacking up to essentially take a black person's job, or to misrepresent them (e.g. a minstrel show), and getting upset over people wearing clothes for their aesthetic value without attaching religious significance to them. I don't think it's the same issue.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 19:27,
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Full of grey areas , depends who's watching and where you are.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Fri 20 Aug 2021, 1:46,
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Omigod, it's almost as if nuance is thing!
Yeah, time place intent etc.
If I have African ceremonial masks in my house, it's not because I'm pretending I'm a witch doctor, it's because I thought they were cool and bought them on my gap year doing charidee work.
Or whatever. Just dont be a dick.
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Invisible Wizard - 13th Level Scrote, Fri 20 Aug 2021, 6:55,
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I don't know
there are many things I'd like to do but I choose not to because it would be offensive and hurtful to people but there are other things I will make a stand for.
Do I really want to dress up as another race? Well, maybe it'd be fun to dress as someone with different colour skin on some occasion but do I want to enough to cause offence? Nop.
Do I want to be able to have sex with any adult (or adults) who wants to have sex with me? Yep, and god help anyone who gets between me and the person/people I want nookie times with. Actually, they'll probably just get caught up in it too and have a ruddy good time.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 15:10,
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*clutches groin protectively*
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 16:34,
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I think cultural appropriation is a problem
But people often mistake it for something else.
Cultural appropriation is when you present something as with a meaning different to the original cultures significance. The most obvious example is the Swastika, which was once a harmless religious symbol of divinity in various Indian religions, but now just means racism and genocide to most of the world, after being appropriated by the Nazis.
However I'm not convinced this Lily Cole incident is technically cultural appropriation. It's just bad taste, and not respecting something that's very important to someone else.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 19 Aug 2021, 15:15,
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To what extent is it a problem?
Wouldn't life be complete shit if stories, music, art, science, literature, sport, political/spiritual/philosophical ideas, technology, skills, fashions, et-fucking-cetera were never appropriated?
The politics of Cultural Appropriation seems to be about maintaining cultural purity, which you must admit does sound a little bit Hitlery.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 15:43,
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I think there's a line between cultural appropriation and cross-culture inspiration
but it is admittedly blurry.
Also Brits are pretty irreverent about everything, so I don't know how it would end up with us on the receiving end, unless Cornish Pasties started being used as a symbol of scientology or something.
Actually when there was a sort of attempt to co-opt the "OK" hand gesture to mean "white power" that did feel like it was taking a part of my language. Dunno how genuine it was but it did feel like something was being taken.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 19 Aug 2021, 18:49,
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As I said, if Johnny Foreigner wants to dress up in sock suspenders and a bowler hat, wear some fake wonky teeth and stick the union flag up his bumhole,
or dress up as Britannia and piss on a Spitfire, or appropriate the image of Winston Churchill and use that to sell clubbed baby seal meat, I would not feel the smallest concern for the purity or integrity of my culture.
What does Cultural Appropriation theory have to say if cultural appropriation is a legitimate and traditional aspect of ones culture?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 22:01,
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...do you work for the British Museum?
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Fri 20 Aug 2021, 18:16,
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...do you work for the DUP?
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Fri 20 Aug 2021, 21:09,
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And if I did I'd still HAVE UVURY RIGHT TO BEY HAYRE.
Ut uzz uh lort uv fun reudung un uh nordy accunt.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Fri 20 Aug 2021, 22:10,
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Cultural appropriation
pretty much built civilisation. Without it, we'd just be low tech tribes, with tiny tech differences.
One tribe would invent slightly better pottery but that knowledge gets lost when the tribe who invented slavery attack, because the tribe down the road who still scoop water with their hands are the only guys who ever invented writing, and no-one is swapping good ideas.
Edit: In fact, no tribe could ever defend itself against the tribe who invents punching people in the face. Kicking in the balls might be seen as a disrespectful derivative version which doesn't preserve the authentic ancient spirit of a punch to the face, and blunt weapons technology seems like too much of a leap to make for a tribe without unarmed combat.
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Whenever somebody plays the cultural appropriation card
I just ask them what genres of music they enjoy.
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Almost everyone, regardless of creed or colour, is Greek, British and American. For whatever reason, they don't like it when you point that out at the Hackney Diversity Fete.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Thu 19 Aug 2021, 19:02,
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Cultural appropriation is bad.
My native American spirit guide told me that on my last vision quest after necking loads of peyote.
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Well she got the publicity for her new book.
So that's a result.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 19 Aug 2021, 14:11,
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