Aside from the annoying ambush tactics and delivery, i disagree with her
She says there's no alternative to starting ww3 as women and children are currently at risk. A shit ton more would be at risk with ww3, which could easily result from direct nato-russian conflict. She doesnt care about them?
I think so far the world has gone above and beyond what i had expected (tho boris' buddies arent on that sanction list...).
I'm a little worried the world-wide condeming, and in his eyes humiliation, of putin pushes him further away and makes him more likely to go all in and do even worse things to win and not lose face. What has he got to lose?
Ukraine is not part of nato but what do you do? China will be watching closely to see if a Taiwan invasion is a doer. if we intervene militarily here the same could be expected to save taiwan. If we intervene militarily when does boris get poisoned? When is the catastrophic russian cyber attack?
Will putin stop if he can split ukraine into a buffer zone? Is it acceptable to let that happen as a sacrifice for the greater peace?
I can only hope the Russian people rise up and overthrow him (far more likely him than in China). Doing as Germany has and sending stingers and tank busting missles would be a good plan (we already sell arms to some dreadful people).
I don't know how this is going to end but one outcome is ww3 and I'd prefer to avoid that.
I'm also not a fan of the I'm-upset-and-crying-therefore-immune-from-debate routine.
(, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 20:20, Reply)
The only reason we're ('we' being the media and the general public) are making such a big deal about the current Ukraine situation
Is because Ukrainians are majority white, culturally/sociologically similar to Western Europeans and because Putin is the archetypal Bond villain baddy.
It fucking sucks for them, but let's not forget that Russia and Ukraine have been in a state of armed conflict since 2014. They've been killing each other for eight fucking years, and the conflict had been arguably unavoidable since they declared their independence 30 fucking years ago. Recent events are a pretty major escalation, but it's not as if it wasn't ever going to happen at some point. Wars cost a shitload of money, and it's frankly surprising that it's taken as long as it has for Putin to make a definitive push for a capture.
Anyway, my point is that our Governments couldn't really give a fuck about Ukraine as far as Ukraine as an independent nation goes. They're not a NATO member, they're not part of the European Union, and they don't have anything particularly valuable buried under the ground. The only reason that the Western powers are getting involved is because its a great way to flex their Diplomatic 'look how benevolent we are' muscles and make life difficult for Putin while reminding each other how much of a fucking dickhead he is.
At the end of the day, the whole thing is just pathetic, political posturing with poor little Ukraine stuck in the middle. Putin knows fine well that he'd have his arse well and truly handed to him if he gave NATO an excuse to summon the Super Best Friends. Especially since China are somewhat distancing themselves from the whole shitshow.
Likewise, the West knows that despite Putin being a nasty, ruthless cunt - he's not a complete fucking moron and almost certainmy has a clear understanding of the nature of mutually assured destruction. Nobody outside of Facebook and Reddit really expect this to turn into WW3, because, at the end of the day, Ukraine isn't valuable enough to either side to even flirt with the idea. We'll back off long before we sufficiently provoke Putin to the point he declares all-out fuckwar with NATO, and Putin will very carefully make sure he doesn't do quite enough to warrant NATO action.
We'll just continue to stand from the sidelines, tutting loudly and exclaiming how awful the whole situation is, whilst idly throwing the odd hand grenade and rocket launcher into the ring until we get bored of the whole circus and move on to the next pressing moral outrage.
It really fucking sucks for all the Ukrainians stuck in the middle of this shitshow, but let's not pretend that they have it any worse than the Kurds or the Afghans do. Unless their lives have inherently more value due to them looking more like us and having similar social lives.
China's inevitable annexing and invasion of Taiwan has far, far more potential to end up in global fisticuffs than Russia trying to claim back some land they lost during the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Happy pancake day, dickheads!
(, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 21:18, Reply)
You seem very upset and wrong on several levels.
Here's one
www.azomining.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=47
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 21:47,
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Okay, fair point on the mineral reserves.
But my point still stands that our Government's disgust at the invasion of Ukraine is purely Diplomatic. As far as the UK and US in particular are concerned, it's just a good PR exercise.
The situation would be VASTLY different if Ukraine was NATO. But if Ukraine was NATO, they'd never have been in this situation, which is the most likely reason Putin is taking the opportunity to step things up now before their membership status changes (however unlikely that would have been).
(, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:10, Reply)
The wars in the Middle East weren't as likely to go nuclear.
Nuclear war isn't an all or nothing thing anymore, lots of tactical nukes about, so it could start slowly. They are in our backyard. To an old man who feels humiliated and whoever is supporting him, it could be tempting.
Would we really launch missiles if he nuked a small city?
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:24,
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Yes. Because it shows his willingness to use them as an offensive weapon rather than a deterrent.
How else would you expect the other global superpowers to react to that?
But that's the entire reason he won't. Too much to lose for zero net gain.
(, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:31, Reply)
I think you're wrong.
We'd all get together in the UN to strongly deplore Putin's actions if he nuked a small town in Ukraine.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:51,
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I suspect it will come down to those around him to refuse to launch.
We collectively have more to lose than a 70something, possibly ill, sociopathic and legitimately paranoid guy who is watching his dream slipping away.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:53,
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Not a chance. Putin could nuke Kiev itself and that still wouldn't draw a nuclear response from NATO, because NATO wouldn't have been attacked.
They don't need to drop nukes. Look at what they did to Grozny for what the plan for Kiev probably is.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 23:21,
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Plus the US is still two cities up on the rest of the world
when it comes to nuking them.
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buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 2:50,
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Well, hmm, maybe
it's a point of view I guess.
I agree with the "only give a fuck because they aren't brown" thing with an embarrassing number of reporters giving the "it's such a shock to see this happen in a civilised, Christian country so close to home" line. I've also heard a couple of hardened war correspondents shoot that down (I'm looking at you Lise Duoucet - champion reporter that one, proper Kate Adie balls on 'er).
I think there's quite a bit of worry about the amount of food that Ukraine grows.
But yes, it's easier for a Russian oligarch to get into the House of Lords than a Ukrainian refugee to get into the UK.
But then I never thought it'd get to this. I didn't think Putin would want to waste all those missiles and have all those Russian bodies coming home but I'm starting to think he didn't expect that either. What do I know?
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 21:58,
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I wonder if having a conscript army versus highly motivated locals will have spoiled Putin's calculations.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:13,
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So wrong about so much.
I would like to point out that each inhabited continent's news agencies report on their local news with more interest than the news occurring on other continents. I would like to point this out to you especially, since I was under the impression that you despised identity politics and populist demagoguery, yet here you are, spewing it out like a demented Corbynite or Trumpanzee, in front of everyone.
"..They don't have anything particularly valuable buried under the ground" is very oddly wrong. There's a strong consensus that this war is as much about fossil fuels as it is about re-establishing Russia as a superpower. Ukrainian gas has long been touted as an alternative to Russian gas.
Wikifuckingpedia says: "Significant natural resources in Ukraine include iron ore, coal, manganese, natural gas, oil, salt, sulphur, graphite, titanium, magnesium, kaolin, nickel, mercury, timber and an abundance of arable land."
"Nobody outside of Facebook and Reddit really expect this to turn into WW3, because, at the end of the day, Ukraine isn't valuable enough to either side to even flirt with the idea." This is pure ignorance. Ukranian people are calling this WWIII, begging us for air support and a no fly zone, analysts across the world are saying the risk of nuclear war is as high now as it's been since the 70s. It's evidently valuable enough for Putin to spend thousands of Russian lives on it. I don't know how you can hold your opinion in the face of reality, unless you have fully disengaged from it.
Calling this a passing fad of moral outrage and then whataboutery, whatever. You really have been quite well indoctrinated by some scummy cunts.
Watch the BBC, Sky News, ITN, & C4 News. Dip into DW News from Germany, they're very good. Avoid whatever shit led you to Agent OXO. Avoid GBeebies. Avoid any news provider trying to sell you a water filter, a gold investment scheme, NORD VPN, or a ball shaving kit.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:10,
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Or perhaps I'm just not reacting to the situation with the kinds of blind panic some other folk are.
I'd wager that the vast majority of folk this side of Poland weren't/aren't aware that this conflict began in 2014, not the end of last week.
Like I said, it's fucking awful for those caught up in it, but anybody worrying about the situation ending in a nuclear holocaust needs to seriously stay away from social media for the next 6 to 8 weeks until something new pops up to keep us occupied.
(, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:25, Reply)
You'd probably lose that wager. The annexation of Crimea was world news at the time. I don't know what evidence would sway you.
I think you are becoming dangerously detached and deranged. This isn't trolling, this is genuine concern.
I am not on social media. I'm on, like, 3 forums including b3ta, and I've not posted to either of the others in ages. I'm a strictly passive consumer of youtube. I talk to about 8 people using whatsapp. I'm strongly anti-social media. I recognise this situation as being fucking dangerous.
All it takes is one overzealous or incompetent tank commander, ship captain or fighter pilot to stray into NATO territory, and one overzealous or incompetent politician to overreact for WWIII to start by fucking default.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:43,
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Yet you posted that 'Ghost of Kyiv' video?
Perhaps I am detached. That's a bad thing now? What's the point of worrying about an unlikely nuclear holocaust of which have absolutely zero influence on? Worrying about that kind of shit is what gives you cancer (or ulcers, at the very least).
Would it suck? Undoubtedly. But worrying about it until it eventually happens isn't healthy, and neither is worrying about it indefinitely. Just get on with your life, if something awful happens tomorrow, at least you haven't wasted today panicking about it.
(, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 22:53, Reply)
Yet? As if the only way I can come across a video is by being in a facebook bubble? I'm trying to follow your logic, which seems quite distorted from my POV.
You're promoting political apathy. How has this happened to you?
You have power as part of the collective. You can influence things through engaging with the institutions and systems of society. You can learn real things from real media and education institutions.
You absolutely need to quit Alex Jones or C2C or Rense or Fox or Bannon or whatever slimy pus riddled rectovaginal fistula of the internet you're getting brainwashed by.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 23:26,
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"You absolutely need to quit Alex Jones or C2C or Rense or Fox or Bannon or whatever slimy pus riddled rectovaginal fistula of the internet you're getting brainwashed by."
Says the bloke blindly posting links to fake news/propaganda. U OK hun?
(, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 12:56, Reply)
Could you point out the fake news or propaganda I posted?
I'm fully prepared to laugh at you if you say the Ghost of Kiev.
Are you willing to tell us from what right wing nut news source you're getting your links to Agent OXO?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 13:52,
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Ghost of Kiev wasn't fake news/propaganda?
What would you describe it as?
(, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 15:43, Reply)
An interesting tale, a remarkable bit of gossip.
The factual news element is that Ukranians are citing aircraft kills to 'The Ghost of Kiev.'
I don't think it was produced by Ukraine, but let me just double check that.
Apparently it was made by a young bloke called Joe from Portsmouth UK, whose favourite airport is Washington Dulles IAD.
www.youtube.com/c/Aviation18/about
Where did you learn about the wisdom of Agent OXO?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 17:39,
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Oh, you're still hanging onto that old nugget?
That armoured vehicle was confirmed as being Russian then, was it? I must have missed that. Could you do me a favour and provide me with the link that conclusively identified it, please? Perhaps you've become a bit distracted what with all the panicking, but my entire point about that armoured vehicle is that we shouldn't believe everything we read on Social Media. Rather apt that you'd bring it up in this particular thread, eh?
So you didn't post fake news? You posted "an interesting tale, a remarkable bit of gossip"? Come on now, birb. Behave. That's a reach, even for you.
(, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 18:10, Reply)
I didn't think Joe from Portsmouth's youtube channel about airplanes was in danger of being mistaken for a news channel.
Where did you find your link to Agent OXO?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 19:29,
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You're going to hang on to the ghost story as being real, despite all the evidence to the contrary? Reading further into it the sources can't even seem to agree on what they supposedly shot down.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 16:23,
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I posted the story because it was interesting
And I said I could believe a Ukranian kid spent his life in a flight sim, and that it is not impossible.
I think you're projecting.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 17:32,
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It is a real story. Ukranians are citing aircraft kills to 'The Ghost Of Kiev.'
DW reported on it too. You can read their actual news report in the same thread.
The video of the old man being run over by the armoured vehicle is a real story too.
Of course all the details are sketchy. The first casualty of war and all that.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 19:34,
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Of course it's a real story. The claims of it being a Russian vehicle have never been verified.
It's safe to say that that any claims of it being Russian or Ukrainian are unverified. It could even be a French AV. Nobody has gone public with a positive identification (suspiciously). Mind you, there was that bloke who wound the windows down, peeked his head in and confirmed it was being driven by Russians in Ukrainian costumes. So who knows.
The 'Ghost of Kyiv' story, on the other hand, is patently bollocks. Soz.
(, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 22:32, Reply)
Oh right, well thanks for clearing that up. I guess a lot of people just fell through a cascading Mandela effect Might want to tell DW and the other news agencies reporting on it
and get on to all the traders now selling Ghost of Kiev merch that the universe those concepts belong to no longer exists.
Now that's sorted, where DID you find the link to Agent OXO?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 3 Mar 2022, 0:08,
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you have very little to lose though so your lack of concern is understandable
(, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 10:06, Reply)
Purely out of interest, which site has the ball shaving kit?
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 0:00,
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Podcasts in general. ;)
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 0:23,
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That make sense
If you're going to cast your pods, best to shave first.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 2 Mar 2022, 0:32,
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