Ah yes.
The conflict is a battle between democracy and autocracy, between liberty and repression, between a rules‐based order and one governed by brute force. Any attempt to suggest that Ukraine's integrity is as questionable as Russia's would be tantamount to treason, right?
(, Tue 15 Nov 2022, 22:36, Reply)
you're allowed to make arguments, swaggy, justifying the russian invasion of a sovereign nation and its horrible consequenced
you just don't make very good ones
you also seem to take seriously and even sympathetically the kind of russian propaganda and claims that most people dismiss as stuff even Chemical Ali would have second thought about saying. The denazification, what is it now? Desatanization? and what not
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Nov 2022, 23:25,
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Cool straw manning.
I've never suggested the war in Ukraine was justified in any way whatsoever. However, the tiresome reverence of Zelensky as some kind of Churchill-esque war hero and shining beacon of democracy and liberty is a little hard to swallow. The guy is a crook and all this 'wE sTaNd WiTh UkrAiNe" flag wavery is for the most part nothing more than brb level virtue signalling. Never mind the standing ovations he gets from our glorious world leaders (who know fine well how much of a cunt he is) every time he pops up on a video call.
Both countries are sociopolitical shitholes and although that in no way gives any credence to Putin's actions, I suspect there's going to be a whole lot of Afghanistan-style backpedalling to come in the next few years when we realise that the country that we've been flooding with munitions for the last year or so is basically just as bad as Russia itself.
I hope Putin's latest push is unsuccessful, but only because I don't think the fuckwit needs any more land or power than he already has. Fuck Ukraine, though.
(, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 6:25, Reply)
I don't think it's strawmanning, i distinctly recall you buying into the denazification stuff and attempting to justify it
ah found it b3ta.com/links/1583960#post1583976 you probably entertained the batshit mental justification longer than the russians did, havent heard them mention it for months.
Anyway, there's a difference between healthy skepticism and partisanship, Musks deleted tweet about pelosi's husband being a good example if you're struggling to tell the difference. you think you're independent but christ you sound a lot like one of the neocons that followed trump down his pro-putin rabbithole and rather than shift gears when he invaded instead desperately sought any bullshit rumour to excuse his expansionism, like that fuckstick carlson.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 10:12,
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I'm terribly sorry,
but i can't seem to find anything posted there by myself that suggests that I feel Russia's actions are justified. Perhaps you could screenshot it, or directly quote the bit that you're referring to?
Claiming that Ukraine is a far-right shithole =/= justification of an invasion.
(, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 10:49, Reply)
like i said, it's like Musk just happening to "suggest theres more to this than meets the eye" then linking to some baseless conspiricy nonsense
You dont say "Putin is right"
Putin makes up the bullshit denazification pretext, as if the fucking russians would give a shit, Putin regular murders critics and jails opposition and acts like a gangster, if hitler walked in the door putin would offer him a job. yet Swaggy just by coincidence think the ukrainians are nazis, and let me quote you about the ukrainians "I use the term 'Nazi' in its most literal sense.". But no, he's not saying he supports Putin. At least not here he's not
Even in this post you're suggesting ukraines integrity is questionable, something that just happens to align with putin's claims. And you pipe up anytime anybody says something positive about the ukraine. If you're not pro-russian you do a convincing impression of someone who is. And now you're saying zelensky is a crook? By what metric? Before the war he already was well on his way to becoming their best president ever, an admittedly low bar on their recent history..But he reformed the constitution for fair referendums, got rid of immunity from prosecutions, and removed a lot of the power of the oligarchs to profit from the privatisation of state assets, not bad for 12 months in power. Now he's fended of an attack by a neighbouring superpower and tireless tried to raise and keep foreign support with 6 million of his citizens homeless, thousands dead and most of the country without power going into winter. So what precisely is it you hate about him, apart from him being jewish?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 13:33,
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This is clearly an extremely emotional issue for you.
www.cato.org/commentary/whitewashing-ukraines-corruption
Hold on, now I don't like Zelensky because he's Jewish? Are you just pulling random statements out of your arse now, cummy?
(, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 13:41, Reply)
you think posting some koch brothers financed commentary tosh is persuasive? the same fucker who bankrolled trump? Christ swaggy
it just highlights what poor sources you use to inform yourself, even as you hang shit on the BBC. It's always the way with conspiricy theorists. They bitch abut the lying MSM but when you dig deeper they get their version of reality from much worse places, not better ones.
the article mentions no charge or claims against zelensky, and quotes some index a few years before zelensky came to power, ignoring the fact that zelensky himself was voted in specifically for his promises to deal with corruption of previous governments, that why they went with a comedian with no political experience, and had already made a lot of the reforms he promised. It mentions some scandal in 2014, again, nowt to do with him. And frames his media reforms as repression without ever mentioning that the law itself was one against disinformation, something the UK is in dire need of. the rest is just a lot of sour grapes at his worldwide popularity that you seem to share. Again, you said he was a crook? what precisely to do you mean by that
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 14:02,
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So nothing in that article I linked is accurate? Is that what you're suggesting?
Sowwy if I owfended youw poow sensibiwities.
So, tell me. How do you come to the conclusion that I'm anti-semite? I'd love to hear that one. Pretty big accusation to make.
(, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 14:08, Reply)
the whole premise of the article us false, it's a very poor article trying to fashion a hit piece by association
nobody's whitewashing Ukrainian corruption, least of all zelensky. he came to power specifically by acknowledging it and promising a reform agenda to deal with it, which he followed through with. you seem to hate him and call him a crook without being able to articulate any claim against him other than like the author you resent the global esteem he's held in. your antisemitism is just by process of elimination, though concealing a strong pro-putin stance would be an alternative explanation for your antipathy
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 14:49,
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