I love how people think if they are not paid directly by the regime it’s absolutely fine to go and profit under the shelter of that regime, and then get all shitty about the shitty regime they’re making money out of. Cf Lineker, Neville et al.
I do hope he used his platform while there to stridently criticise their human rights abuses. I’m sure he did.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 14:27,
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Ooooh! Hark at thee! A fancy forrin phrase for whataboutery!
From Lycettt’s 2016 autobiography, Parsnips Buttered:
"I was performing stand-up in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Qatar. Friends of mine had warned me about travelling to these countries, claiming that ‘they don’t like’, as one friend put it, ‘your lot’. The punishment for homosexuality in these countries is oft jail, the logic of which I’ve never understood. Oh, you like men? We’ll put you in a box with some’. Not exactly a punishment, lads!”
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 14:54,
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It doesn't just mean whataboutery.
It means someone can be a hypocrite and still right.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 15:03,
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His hypocrisy makes his sanctimony unbearable.
He is capable of being funny, but this particular whiny little bitch routine got very stale, very quickly.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 15:43,
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I've never been a fan of the smug-faced cunt.
But shredding £10,000* on social media during the height of a cost of living crisis was never going to go down well with anybody.
*He claims that he didn't actually shred the £10K and the wads of cash he filmed himself shredding were fakes. But it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this was more utterly short-sighted backtracking.
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I did think he was funny when he first started appearing on tv.
But then I swear the first time I saw Sarah Millican do a routine I thought she was funny. That must have been a dream though.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 16:20,
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I'm not entirely sure there are any funny female stand-ups.
Apart from Eddie Izzard, and I'm not certain that he counts.
I also used to think that Joe Lycett was funny, but that's when I was confusing him with his less-smug doppelganger, Joe Cornish.
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You do realise that other people can see what you type don’t you?
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 17:03,
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Yes. What bit did you take most exception to?
There's an ignore button if you find my contributions overly triggering.
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Glorious, Unrepeatable and The Definite Article are all solid gold routines.
He did go off the boil after that.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 19:21,
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The bilingual skit from Dress to Kill is one of the great contemporary stand‐up performances, in my opinion.
I say 'contemporary', must be 20+ years old now. Christ.
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His French and other foreign languages stuff really irked me, because, at least when he started doing it, his French was fucking shit. Maybe I should check out your suggestion, but if he speaks French in it, I’m not going to like it.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 19:49,
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So David Beckham could criticise Joe Lycett for doing a Qatar gig
And if they call him out on it he says ".... doesnt mean I'm not right!"
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Yes.
If he did that, they'd both be right.
Though, to do so, Beckham would have to address Qatar's homophobia directly rather than ignore it for money.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 21 Dec 2022, 21:56,
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You can do both.
You can be a hypocrite in your actions without invalidating your ideas.
...and back to square 1.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 9:16,
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Aye.
Actions are more important, but the original point seemed to be suggesting that being a hypocrite on any level (in this case, 7 years ago) somehow invalidates what someone is saying.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 10:36,
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7 years isn't a very long time though, really.
I feel that the hypocrisy is problematic in this case due to the context of Lycett's 'ultimatum'.
Lycett wasn't saying "Qatar is bad, you shouldn't go there." after being there himself. He was telling Beckham that his standing as a gay icon (?) in the LGTB community would be tarnished by his support of the Qatar World Cup and that his involvement would ultimately prove damaging for the LGBT community.
Basically "If you care at all about LGBT rights, you shouldn't travel to Qatar for personal gain". Despite Lycett being a queer man that has travelled to Qatar for personal gain.
Mind you, I'm not really fussed that he's being a hypocrite. The whole stunt was a "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" routine, just like most of the boring cunt's output over the last few months.
It's a bit of a shame, really. I watched him in a Jonathan Ross interview last night and he (mostly) came across as charming and relatively likeable. It's just this low effort slacktivism that turns me off. 'Oh, look. You're a somewhat recognisable, left-leaning TV personality appearing on Sunday with LK pretending to be a right-wing Tory supporter'. Genius
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His point was that Beckham has
sold his liberal image (which he has built off the back of things like promotions in gay magazines) to help the government with the "sportswashing" of Qatar, via a ten year ambassadorship deal, not that people shouldn't travel there for any-old work.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Dec 2022, 11:23,
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