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This is a normal post That's a shame.
I was really, really looking forward to egging them. Surely there's a freedom of speech issue there also?
 (Cap'n, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:18, Reply)
This is a normal post i guess there is...
but gloating at the grieving families of soldiers? Telling gays that god hates them? That's not just saying what you want, that's being a grade 'a' non-biodegradable cunt.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, it is being a cunt, but they should have the right
to make their point. They are being denied that right and we are being denied the right to hear and disagree (or agree) with them. Nanny much?

Free speech means what it says. You may not like it but you should allow it - go and argue if you disagree. If you must limit it then I guess incitement to violence might be a line.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 19:46, Reply)
This is a normal post My opinion is
if they made their point in a neutral manner, that is to say they just say it somewhere and if I'm looking for it I can find it, then that's okay.

If they actively go and act in an aggressive or potentially offensive manner at another person's funeral or some gay-marriage thing, etc. then their (teh gheys) freedoms are at risk from crazy people.

Yes, airing one's opinion in a 'neutral' manner does mean less publicity for them, but psst, that's half the point.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:12, Reply)
This is a normal post exactly
I know it's dangerous to suggest 'common sense' prevail over universally applied law. But in this case, they're the naughty children in the corner who disrupt the class for everyone else. Out they go. Simple as.
 (I helped save b3ta! thiswasmyclone, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 21:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, the old "it's offensive" argument.
Grow up you twit. Offended yet? Who cares? Free speech is more important than you being offended and if you don't see that, you deserve what we will, very likely, end up with.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Hate speech isn't free speech.

(Tael, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 2:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Who makes the definition?
Because they control what is and what is not free speech. I don't trust anybody that much - do you?
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 17:40, Reply)
This is a normal post i don't think inciting murder comes under the same sort of rights system.

(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:15, Reply)
This is a normal post They are not inciting murder.
They are ignorant and foolish but there's a lot of that around....
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 21:59, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think so.
There is no suppression of free speech here, just the failure of the church to satisfy entry-clearance requirements. They need to show their presence in the UK would be conducive to the public good.
 (brainburger, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:40, Reply)
This is a normal post And you don't think that amounts to suppression of free speech?
How scarey.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 19:37, Reply)
This is a normal post If you run into a cinema...
..and shout FIRE! FIRE!

is that free speech?

No, its a crime
 (Montyphuq, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't be silly
It's fine if there is a fire and spouting the words of a very silly man doesn't make you intelligent.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:07, Reply)
This is a normal post daft
twunt
 (Montyphuq, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Excellent reply
Well done that man. Instead of coming out with stupid platitudes why don't you explain to me why freedom of speech is not important. Civil liberties, in this country, are under great threat. I find this very worrying - they are easy to lose but much harder to re-gain. Perhaps you could reassure me that I have nothing to worry about.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:45, Reply)
This is a normal post I should really expand on that
When people decide that they are right, in the face of all evidence, they are known as 'liars'.

As a very sensible person once said, 'everyone is entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts.

I did not encourage violence towards these idiots, but encouraging violence towards others is their entire life.
 (Montyphuq, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:43, Reply)
This is a normal post This does not explain
why you believe they do not have a right to express their view. I might add that they are very careful not to go beyond what the law allows in terms of incitement (and are quick to sue if anyone attacks them physically). I find their views very unpleasant but they are entitled to express them. That is my point.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post and.....
you obviously consider the nazi party in 1933 had a right to spout their 'opinions' of hate.

Good luck to you sir, you will need it.
 (Montyphuq, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Now you really are being silly
They went way beyond expressing an opinion. Is it really so difficult to understand the difference between an opinion expressed verbally and an act of violence? You seem intent on confusing the two. Please try to understand that my belief that people have a right to their opinions does not mean that I agree with those opinions.

Edit: I'm knackered so I'm off to bed. It's been fun.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Hitler
never personallly killed anyone

He just spouted his opinions, that made stupid, evil people do so.

You will never understand free speech until you grow up
 (Montyphuq, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 23:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't know why I'm bothering.
Telling someone to "grow up" when you have no reasonable answer is an ad hominem attack (look it up). It makes you feel better but it doesn't further the discussion.

I may have to invoke Godwin's law at this point.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post i don't think you understand what freedom of speech actually means,
which is a suprise for someone so vocal about it.
or maybe not such a suprise, when i think about it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:16, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
flamed
 (hot wee wee jefferson - the cystitis kid strange things are afoot at the circle K, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:43, Reply)
This is a normal post No, just stupid.
It worries me that a lot of people don't seem to get the idea of "Free Speech". It's not free speech except for what I don't like or what offends me. If you don't like what someone says argue with them. Don't ban opinions.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 21:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Would you care to explain?
The more I read what you have written, the less sense it makes.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 22:22, Reply)
This is a normal post I would guess that what he means is that
Freedom of speech and freedom to enter the UK are not the same thing.
 (bumGenius wants to host a team spunk party, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 23:47, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't know how you deciphered that.
He seems to be trying to be insulting and funny but failing.

If that is what he means, then in this case they are effectively the same thing. I do accept that there may need to be limits and, maybe, incitement to violence is the line. I'm not at all sure that I really agree even with this but hey, ho.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mod Edit, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 17:47, Reply)