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This is a normal post oh what,
I thought their little stunt was stupid enough as it was, now I find out they've got young kids as well.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:05, Reply)
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(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Emmeline Pankhurst just spun in her grave

(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't know how this has got to be about women's right to vote,
they chose to have kids, if you've got kids and you go out causing civil disturbances that get you thrown in prison, strikes me as a bit irresponsible.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:45, Reply)
This is a normal post That would be Emmeline Pankhurst the mother of 5 and famous civil disobedience-er

(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:26, Reply)
This is a normal post argument high five
your powers of google are strong
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Why thank you
I admit to having to google for the name but I knew there were some that had popped out sprogs and still had an opinion.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post and I'm supposed to change my mind now, because of this name?

(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:36, Reply)
This is a normal post you have a right to vote
because of that name...your position in society today is arguably a tribute to that "name" amongst others who shared her similar position of being a mother, and an active member of society.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:40, Reply)
This is a normal post this may be true but nothing logically follows from it.
I don't owe this person any loyalty because of what I got out of it. So she was irresponsible as well, and she turned out to be on the winning side, well there you go.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:45, Reply)
This is a normal post seriously?
you don't owe anything to the people who fought and often died for your freedom which you exercise?

do emancipated slaves not owe anything to the people who fought for their emancipation?

do i not owe anything to my grandfather who went to war on the front lines in germany and witnessed his friends dying, to contribute to a world which allows me to sit her typing this right now?

yes i do, and you are seriously, and sadly and disappointingly wrong.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:48, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't owe loyalty.
I don't have to approve of everything anybody did just because I got something out of it in the end.

If I had been saved from hypothermia I wouldn't owe loyalty to the nazi scientists who threw prisoners into barrels of ice-water to see what would happen.

If someone neglected their responsibilities as a parent and risked arrest to get women the right to vote I don't have to approve of people neglecting their responsibilities to their children for the sake of some other political cause.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:53, Reply)
This is a normal post and where with the nazis
i love a good nazi,

"I don't have to approve of everything anybody did just because I got something out of it in the end."

no you don't, but your argument is roughly, these women as mothers should not put their kids welfare in danger by protesting.

why is the children's welfare at danger if they protest? imagine living in that world...if they will take your children for protesting, what else will they do...is it not better to get the worlds media attention so such an atrocity sparks outrage?

is it the duty of a mother to bring her child into a world where they could be imprisoned or killed just for having a different "opinion"?

or is the correct thing to do, as a mother, or human being, to try to create the best possible world for all of us, our brothers, sisters, friends and children?

and to do that by making a big fuss...to get global attention, by taking a risk... aren't they trying to protect their children ultimately?

im bored of this now,
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:58, Reply)
This is a normal post I'll be honest I don't really know how bad the civil rights situation is in Russia at the moment,
I only wanted to point out that I can support someone's cause without approving of their methods.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh it's not that bad
So long as you're not wanting free speech, challenge the political establishment, believe in an deity not approved by the state, be the wrong colour, have sex with people the same gender as you....

If you're silly enough to want any of that then it's pretty horrible.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:22, Reply)
This is a normal post http://nplusonemag.com/pussy-riot-closing-statements
You should probably do some research first before spouting shit then.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 20:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Maybe I should but I'm not just going to take their word for it,
I can read exactly this sort of paranoid rant on Infowars any day of the week and I take it with a pinch of salt. I need something of substance.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 21:16, Reply)
This is a normal post That isn't 100% true...
The right to vote for women owed just as much to WW1 as it did to people chaining themselves to railings. It was then that women emerged from the home and drove buses, made all the munitions and basically did all the jobs that they were thought incapable of that made people think they might just have the sense to vote sensibly too.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 17:21, Reply)
This is a normal post and this changes my point how?

(, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 9:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Well,
You implied the right to vote was a result of protest; I say it was more down to circumstances.
(, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 11:23, Reply)
This is a normal post yes but the actions which proved women where equal
backed up a concept which had been brought to the pubic attention through a series of protests and attention grabbing stunts.... the mouth opened first and then the body followed through on the promises...

so owing a debt of gratitude, or at least supporting the people who where involved in that process is the right thing to do, they where just as much a part of it, being the vocal genesis of it.

so my point still stands.
(, Tue 21 Aug 2012, 12:42, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this
But with more facepalm.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:49, Reply)
This is a normal post wait.
what do you think I am actually saying here?
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Is it a sign I've been reading B3ta.com too long
that I saw "spun" and immediately replaced it with "spunked"?
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep :)

(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Combined with the picture above your post
I just read that as "Emmeline Spankhurst".
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 18:15, Reply)