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This is a link post So, yeah. SRS bsnss. I made this!
DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING.
 (I helped save b3ta! Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 21:56, Reply)
This is a normal post K
I agree with what's written on that there thing. Signed.
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:01, Reply)
This is a normal post do you know how blood and organs are transported between hospitals?

(I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:01, Reply)
This is a normal post In a van.

(I helped save b3ta! Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:06, Reply)
This is a normal post In a van, slung into the luggage compartment of a National Express coach
and then picked up by a van at the coach station nearest the destination hospital.
Each one, if I recall correctly, costs £25 to transport.

So the issues of cutting corners and profit are already in the equation, as "company with orange and white liveried vehicles" has found the cheapest and nastiest way to transport them while making a profit, and the sender is paying out quite a lot for the "service".

EDIT:Actually, I think the £25 was just for a van to run between local hospitals, I forget about national rates.
 (I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:12, Reply)
This is a normal post That's not strictly true
I spent a few years back in the nineties as a courier, and seemed to spend much of my day delivering blood to and from the Middlesex hospital and the UCH, which was basically hammering it down Charlotte Street. They use ambulances for actual organs

But signed mate :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Already signed from your Facebook link :D

(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:01, Reply)
This is a normal post This ^

(I helped save b3ta! Maffers I flow kinda strange like Spina Bifida footprints, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Will it improve the quality of the services provided if privatized?

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Hugely unlikely.

(I helped save b3ta! Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Some research may be in order.
Having seen a parent die at a young age, I could give a damn about who profits from helping someone to heal.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Shouldn't have to be run for profit,
tendered out to the lowest bidder where cutting corners could lead to bigger mistakes being made.
 (I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Perhaps, but not if there are guidelines in place.
I mean, the car I drive was made by someone who has made huge profits, but I don't hold it against them.

If the rules of government contracting call for lowest bidder, then perhaps the rules should be changed.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:19, Reply)
This is a normal post You want to see our train system
or our energy providers. Not a pretty picture...
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:26, Reply)
This is a normal post
Yeah, you can't really have a competitive rail network when you have a fixed number of rails (unlike the airline industry for example). You just end up of different companies running different parts of the network which isn't ideal. In fairness though, the network is actually better run now than it used to be and you could argue you'd still be running slam-door victorian trains if the government was doing it. And a lot of our energy is imported so that sucks.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:58, Reply)
This is a normal post Quite true

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 23:02, Reply)
This is a normal post If something is run at profit, one has to take that profit out
So if that is, say, 20% profit the directors want to take or the shareholders and/or other market forces make them take, either the service costs 20% more or all employees (except directors, of course) are employed at 20% less, or 20% less is spent on goods... etc. It really is that simple.

And when it is public money being spent on paying for the service, it is a) a cash cow and b) a massive waste.

Everyone has this image of small companies competing to offer better services by being more efficient. You've got to work out what "efficient" actually means for the people doing the actual work. And if you're privatising a single company, you are creating a monopoly which basically answers to no one, can treat its staff and suppliers like shit and clear up in any market, all the while getting more and more expensive to run.
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:33, Reply)
This is a normal post It's a good point.
The argument against having the government do it is removing it from the political process, removing waste and graft and encouraging innovation that government work does not encourage. In other words, if I can imagine a way to get the same task done for 1/3 the cost that the government does, the taxpayers come out ahead if you pay me only 2/3 of the government amount.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 23:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Obviously far too late for a reply to this thread... might gaz you...
But yeah, those are the ideals trotted out to justify a privitisation every time...but how often does the govt end up paying 2/3 of what it did for the service?

Our trains are a case worth noting. When they were public, they cost, iirc, 2Bil/year. 10 years after privitisation, they cost 5Bil. That is 5Bil subsidy. Inflation should put it at 3Bil, and the fairs have increased ahead of inflation, too.

But is the service better? I was offered more "choice". Yes, I have a lot more "choice" now - extremely confusing fairs and massive penalties for the wrong one, and all the train cos fighting about who's fault any particular problem is, and a collapsed Railtrack which had to be run publically again (No directors or shareholders out of pocket, mind) but they are thinking of again selling off.

Imagine if running that service well was life-or-death?
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Tue 17 Jul 2012, 7:40, Reply)
This is a normal post And, of course, if one is privitising a public "monopoly",
that 20% "profit" the "subsidy" the public is paying for is, essentially, paying for the stockmarket. We are subsidising our own stockmarket. This is surely not "capitalist". And they have the gall to make the argument about "ideals"...
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Tue 17 Jul 2012, 8:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Only if they are made accountable.
But with this sort of thing bureaucracy is king and ruins it.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 23:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Jeezuz H Christ
That would be absolute carnage. Signed!
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Signed
And clicked.
 (I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:08, Reply)
This is a normal post done
will forward to peeps at work tomorrow.

They want to close our A&E department too :(
 (I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:14, Reply)
This is a normal post Isn't that a bit misleading?
I don't think the privatisation of NHS Blood and Transplant (NHSBT) is at stake here?
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Mon 16 Jul 2012, 22:29, Reply)
This is a normal post 420
Even after signing, it still said on 420 ppl signed it. Do i no longer count as I live up north?
 (mcgi5sr2 immersed in virtual reality since, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 17:02, Reply)