history repeats itself
firstly as tragedy
finally as farce.
TB has definitely entered the trousers round the ankles, here comes the vicar phase of his career
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 10:33,
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It's the total lack of self awareness.
I totally disagree with every word of that, natch, but as Remain propaganda goes it's very well put together. But he doesn't get that his brand is so fucking toxic now. I swear wheeling out Mandelson for Remain had the same effect and lost them votes. These people just don't know when to go away.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 10:41,
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While it may be true that idiots hear the messenger more than the message,
that isn't an even slightly good argument against the message.
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Yes it is: the majority of people are stupid.
Average IQ is 100. An arbitrary score given to the zenith of the bell curve / normal distribution. So it is a figure approaching 50% of the global population that find themselves to the left of that zenith. Nearly half the world has an IQ in double figures. Thus the credibility of the messenger is of the most extreme importance.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 12:44,
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I'm not saying it isn't natural for humans to misinterpret available data,
or to use irrelevant data as though it is relevant.
What I'm saying is, that the message is true or not, irrespective of the messenger. Actively debating the message but using the messenger as evidence will result in flawed conclusions.
Yes, it's natural for humans to do this. No, you should know better.
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Um, well I do think what he says is wrong. I can't be bothered, and no one wants to read a point by point rebuttal.
All I was trying say is that while is full of shit, he's a very convincing bullshitter. He was a lawyer, donchaknow?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 12:56,
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I agree its a lot of shit, and that he's a grade-A bullshitter.
... I just wish we could ignore who's saying stuff and concentrate on what they say.
This is the problem with democracy.
An argument is objectively invalid but we have to take it into consideration because 50 million fuckwits will ponder it seriously because it came from someone who their grandma likes.
Or an argument is objectively well considered and but will be completely ignored because it came from that fuckface who once did a fucking thing they hate.
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Um, are we talking at cross purposes?
I don't believe that a dichotomy can truly exist between a message and its messenger because I don't believe that humans are capable of of any true level of objectivity. Ergo, it is not just the content that matters, form is important too.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 15:13,
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Well why bother with anything if that's the case?
Just make whoever seems to be the most popular in charge of everything. Put the Kardashians on the world's throne and let them get on with it.
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I've got an IQ of 130, went to art school and can't do grammar properly.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 13:39,
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Here's your gold star.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 14:51,
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I think you'll find it's spelt "this"
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 19:07,
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how has IQ any revelance if you've just said it's arbitrary?
It's like saying people don't listen to the message because they are generally below 4.3 Quacknoodles, Cumquat's threshold level of Nogginatiousness
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 14:25,
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IQ does have relevance. It's the perfect measure of how good you are at IQ tests.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 14:51,
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And there is a correlation between low IQ
and being totally fucking thick.
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True but there's a correlation between people getting terrible scores in all manner of tests and being totally fucking thick. It's a test of ability in a given area.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 16:10,
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I apologise for failing to communicate effectively.
The figure of 100 for the score at the top of normal distribution is what is arbitrary. They simply decided that the commonest level of intelligence would score 100. They could have chosen 50. Or 75. They didn't. They chose 100.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 15:09,
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Over half of people are average or below
But then over half are average or above.
Your argument is as valid as proclaiming a glass to be half empty and claiming this proves empty will always win.
Your logic is bad and you should feel bad. At least you are in the 52% majority, right?
What it means in the real world is that marginals win elections, not that the stupid rule the smart or vice versa.
We knew that before, we still know it. It is a failing of the first past the post system and is inevitable in that system.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 15:30,
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Nope.
FPTP is not perfect but it has nothing to do with normal distribution at all.
www.b3ta.com/links/1302185
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 15:45,
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Blair is a cunt who lied to the public in order to go to war, no two ways about it, and because of that he's lost the ability he once had of persuading swathes of the public
but this particular piece he's written is cogent and an accurate description of the depressing state of play, even if he doesn't offer any useful solutions
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 11:45,
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His basic idea is "see if your MP will put Country before Party" which is laughable. Not to mention MPs (sitting and standing) are just as split on the EU as the population.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Wed 19 Apr 2017, 12:23,
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I'm really not sure about MPs being as split as the country.
My impression is that the majority of MPs were pro EU. It was in fact a party that no longer has a single MP and a smallish fringe of Tory backbenchers that Cameron thought he could quash quite easily with a referendum.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 12:34,
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That's my impression too.
The anti EU left was very badly represented in parliament and most tories know a nice gravy train when they spot one.
They only voted for the referendum because cameron thought it would shut his fringe up and the left thought it would tear the right apart.
HAH!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 12:43,
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Aye.
The talk of a internecine civil war tearing the Tories apart over the EU was much exaggerated. Times have changed since Major and his cabinet of "bastards" in 1992. Yes, there was an awkward squad whose numbers were in double figures, but really it was Dave's fear of losing votes to UKIP that compelled him to call the referendum.
Breaking: Osbourne not standing.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 12:53,
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Aw.... he's leaving us?
How will he cope with only 4 careers?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 19 Apr 2017, 13:41,
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