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Tell us your stories of churches and religion (or lack thereof). Let the smiting begin!
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( , Thu 19 Mar 2009, 15:00)
Tell us your stories of churches and religion (or lack thereof). Let the smiting begin!
Question suggested by Supersonic Electronic
( , Thu 19 Mar 2009, 15:00)
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Ahem...
... I don't know if I'm an extreme atheist: I have no time for sloppy arguments, though, and I think that theistic arguments are sloppy. I've not seen one that isn't.
Having said that - I'm getting more and more disenchanted with Dawkins/ Meyers/ The Reason Project et al because of their misuse of moral argumentation against religion. (See my post on p1 for this.) Metaphysically and epistemologically, it's an open-and-shut case. No god; no supernature. But you can't get there from an appeal to morality - and that's a mistake that a lot of the atheist shrills make.
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:37, 3 replies)
... I don't know if I'm an extreme atheist: I have no time for sloppy arguments, though, and I think that theistic arguments are sloppy. I've not seen one that isn't.
Having said that - I'm getting more and more disenchanted with Dawkins/ Meyers/ The Reason Project et al because of their misuse of moral argumentation against religion. (See my post on p1 for this.) Metaphysically and epistemologically, it's an open-and-shut case. No god; no supernature. But you can't get there from an appeal to morality - and that's a mistake that a lot of the atheist shrills make.
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:37, 3 replies)
"No, the persistence of evil actions by religious people is not an argument against religion."
True, but it's a good starting point to bring religion down from it's high horse.
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:42, closed)
True, but it's a good starting point to bring religion down from it's high horse.
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:42, closed)
I wouldn't
pick an discussion with you, tbh. You'd run rings around me. But I do like the idea of the the traditional arguments being shelved because they don't make any sense. Perhaps it could stimulate a more sophisticated discuss? But not with me, I'm an idiot.
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:44, closed)
pick an discussion with you, tbh. You'd run rings around me. But I do like the idea of the the traditional arguments being shelved because they don't make any sense. Perhaps it could stimulate a more sophisticated discuss? But not with me, I'm an idiot.
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:44, closed)
Cheers
to all that replied, it's been interesting.
And as Bob said "It's good to talk."
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 16:00, closed)
to all that replied, it's been interesting.
And as Bob said "It's good to talk."
( , Thu 26 Mar 2009, 16:00, closed)
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