Don't the grauniad get most things wrong?

( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 8:45, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

Ooh, controversial!
Well, it's debateable, but they're usually much better at not wanking about with stats than most other papers.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 8:47, Reply)

Speaking as a despicable Tory
I find the Guardian is a massively biased fact mangler. The lefty Daily Mail (also horrible), if you will...
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 8:49, Reply)

I agree that they carry an almost excessive number of opinion based articles, but at least they're open about it.
Misrepresenting statistics, however, is shit up with which I will not put.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 8:51, Reply)

True, but they do manipulate stats to suit their p.o.v.
Polly Toynbee is terrible for this.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 8:57, Reply)

Yeah, but Toynbee can fuck off.
This seems like manipulation for shock value over anything else, which is behaviour I wouldn't expect. Anyway, I need to do some digging to see whether they are or not. Will post a link to the story when I'm out of bed.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:00, Reply)

Please do.
I always like looking at this sort of thing.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:02, Reply)

I just don't believe this
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jan/11/mental-health-women-crisis?INTCMP=SRCH

*dons deerstalker and commences investigation*
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:15, Reply)

stop it you paranoid mentalist

(Zoz prayed for twink on, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)

Meh, it's not like I have anything better to do
Plus, I'm hoping to get an article out of this, which will stop me just getting angry at the Mail being fuckwits again. That was my original plan for the day.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)

Women suffer from mental health problems once EVERY month don't they?

( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:23, Reply)

There's no way I can respond to correct you on this without being accused of PMS-ing, is there?

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:30, Reply)

Nope.
I win!
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)

Only because you're a chauvinistic, patriarchal pig!
*insert feminist rant here*
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:37, Reply)

/ignores

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:42, Reply)

I'm going to stop looking at that article anyway. It's boring and I hate doing maths.
Plus, I've just found something even better to get wound up about.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8248030/Parents-face-government-fees-to-split-up.html

What the actual cunting fuck?
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:45, Reply)

Oh FFS
They're just showing how retarded they really are, aren't they?
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)

Someone has PMT.
xx
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:44, Reply)

I don't have PMT *sobs*
It's just... *sob* everyone's so *sob* mean, and life is so *sob* hard!

*devours sofa-sized bar of chocolate*

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ANYWAY?!
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:49, Reply)

Your tits.
Obviously, as a chauvenist.

Or ironically, as a nice guy.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:50, Reply)

Haha
I rather set myself up for that, didn't I? Meh.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:55, Reply)

Yeah, sorry,
but I never miss an easy opening...
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)

Badum-tcch!

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:58, Reply)

I need a little Lurpak man to follow me about
with his trumpet for each of my shit jokes.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:59, Reply)

Maybe for your birthday we'll club together and get you one.

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:03, Reply)

www.sadtrombone.com
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Lovely
Thanks.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:56, Reply)

Chocolate?
Christ, you must be upset.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)

I was playing to a stereotype
I do not have PMS, and even if I did, I wouldn't eat that vile stuff.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:58, Reply)

Chocolate is magnificent. Although I'm quite disgusted at myself today, last night I drank Strongbow, and enjoyed it...

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:00, Reply)

I drink Strongbow
Or Kopperberg Mixed Fruits.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:03, Reply)

Koppaberg mixed fruits is fucking lush

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:06, Reply)

I love it.
Defo my favourite.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:08, Reply)

Strawberry and Lime is fucking rank though. That shit is evil.

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:12, Reply)

It's not good...
The mixed berry one though....

Mega.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:18, Reply)

it's awesome!
The rekorderlig strawberry and lime one is better though.
(berk, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:38, Reply)

It tastes like cheap strawberry milkshake

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:53, Reply)

I don't like strawberry milkshake
so the comparison is lost on me. It is a bit sweet, but I do like the taste and it's easier to drink than cider and black...
(berk, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:54, Reply)

What would you prefer to eat?

( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:03, Reply)

The phrase 'I'm not going to dignify that with a response'
Is a classic example of the liar paradox. Discuss [20 marks]
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:12, Reply)

OK
The problem of the liar paradox is that it seems to show that common beliefs about truth and falsity actually lead to a contradiction. Sentences can be constructed that cannot consistently be assigned a truth value even though they are completely in accord with grammar and semantic rules.
The simplest version of the paradox is the sentence:
This statement is false. (A)
If the statement is true, everything asserted in it must be true. However, because the statement asserts that it is itself false, it must be false. So the hypothesis that it is true leads to the contradiction that it is false. Yet the sentence cannot be false for that hypothesis also leads to contradiction. If the statement is false, then what it says about itself is not true. Hence, it is true. Under either hypothesis, the statement is both true and false.
However, that the liar sentence can be shown to be true if it is false and false if it is true has led some to conclude that it is neither true nor false. This response to the paradox is, in effect, to reject the common beliefs about truth and falsity: the claim that every statement has to abide by the principle of bivalence, a concept related to the law of the excluded middle.
The proposal that the statement is neither true nor false has given rise to the following, strengthened version of the paradox:
This statement is not true. (B)
If (B) is neither true nor false, then it must be not true. Since this is what (B) itself states, it means that (B) must be true and so one is led to another paradox.
Another reaction to the paradox of (A) is to posit, as Graham Priest has, that the statement follows paraconsistent logic and is both true and false. Nevertheless, even Priest's analysis is susceptible to the following version of the liar:
This statement is only false. (C)
If (C) is both true and false then it must be false. This means that (C) is only false, since that is what it says, but then it cannot be true, creating another paradox.
There are also multi-sentence versions of the liar paradox, which are essentially logical arguments. The following is the two-sentence version:
The following statement is true. (D1)
The preceding statement is false. (D2)
Assume (D1) is true. Then (D2) is true. This would mean that (D1) is false, and hence (D2) is false. This in turn means that (D1) is true, and this continues infinitely, creating a paradox.
The argument version of the liar paradox generalizes to any circular sequence of such statements (wherein the last statement asserts the truth/falsity of the first statement), provided there are an odd number of statements asserting the falsity of their successor. E.g., the following is a three-sentence version, with each statement asserting the falsity of its successor:
D2 is false. (D1)
D3 is false. (D2)
D1 is false. (D3)
Assume (D1) is true. Then (D2) is false. This would mean that (D3) is true, and hence (D1) is false, leading to a contradiction. Instead, assume (D1) is false. Then (D2) is true, which means (D3) is false. This would mean (D1) is true, again leading to a contradiction, and hence the paradox.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:14, Reply)

I would give you 10 marks for that (you failed to address the statement in the question)
But I'm taking all your points away for obviously copying and pasting.

You get a U.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:17, Reply)

I thought that was how modern day students did things
I was trying to be down with the kids.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)

Nah, they've got software to stop you doing that now.
Which was a bit annoying.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Good! I'm glad to hear it.
GCSEs and A-Levels are easy now, Degrees should be hard so they remain a real achievement.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:28, Reply)

Besides, have you seen how long their articles are? Fucking massive, and they use long words like "Miscontraception" and "Intuative" (only spelt right).
Give me The Metro any day of the week.... no tits, good summery of the news, always seems to last exactly however long my tube journey is... and it's free !
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:07, Reply)

The ones I really hate are ones like the sun, who use random full upcasing on words and they
try to speak to you like they're a politition who's just walked into the roughest pub in the UK.

OUR BOYS up front in the hellzone of HELMAND provance today were barrasic, so we sent 'em a fiver to sor' 'em ou'. THE SUN can report that THE LADS of the first squarden were WELL CHUFFED with the fiver.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:10, Reply)

The Sun should fuck the fuck off.
Lying scum cunts.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:12, Reply)

Some of you lot are gonna laugh at me with this, but when Diana died, that was the day I realised that 99% of the news reporting press is full of shit.
Remember, I was about 10 or whatever, so I had never been around for their previous failings at an age where I understood the bullshit behind it (eg, the falklands reporting, Iraq 1?, whatever).

I was really confused because for the last 3 years all I read was how this lady was a 'scarlet harlot', was cheating on the future king of the country, shagging the son of an arabic man, doing charity stuff just so she can get friendly with celebs... all of that. Then suddenly she's dead and she's the princess of our hearts. All these years and the Daily Express still manage to dredge up her past (guilt?).

I just thought to myself, at the time, "This is some poor boys's* mother, who they've just lost. If I lost my ma' I'd be gutted, let alone being constantly reminded about this'n'that".

I honestly don't trust the press, esspesh TV, where in my brief run ins, they stage everything and really don't give a shit how much it effects someone's life. And if you're not a company, they'll fob off payment big time.

* How do you do a belonging of two people?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)

Diana was a lunatic slut.
And you use a possessive apostrophe - just do not add the s.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:24, Reply)

Not really, she doesn't seem to have any bad intentions from my point of view.
I started out trolling the typical "Diana was a slag" people, 'cus it's an ovbouse point of view (to me, it's on par with "The police are pigs")... but the more I think about it, the more I think she's a fundementally good person.

I'd rather she got what she strived for in the world, than someone like Katie Price.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

She did some good
But she WAS a weirdo stalker.

I didn't like her (or her reported actions, more accurately), but she wasn't a bad person - she had a crap existence really, but... she cheated on her husband and had a son by a ginger (I know he wasn't faithful), she made harrassing phone calls and she was a bit mad. And a bit of a slapper.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)

also, massively 80s
I pity poor Kate Middleton having to wear that massive, ugly, gaudy ring
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:59, Reply)

Prince WIlliam will doubtless have a much nicer ring to insert his digits into.
(sorry)
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:09, Reply)

I SAY

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:11, Reply)

Not to worry Gonz, I was only 8 when it happened, so it was new to me too!
I learned about bias in the press when I was out of school for a few months, during the fuel blockade in 2000. My Dad made me study different newspapers, so I could understand how they each had their own take on it.

Was certainly eye-opening, although not necessarily interesting.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:25, Reply)

I think it's a good lesson, they should do that in all schools.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

in the last days before we left school
our teacher, in his "wear sunscreen"-type speech to us all, said the most important advice he could give us for the future would be to learn how to critique and interpret news media.
(Zoz prayed for twink on, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:39, Reply)

At school, for General Studies A Level
One teacher taught us how to tackle the cryptic crossword in The Times.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 10:04, Reply)

I might post like this ALL DAY today.
I like the idea of adding occasional emPHAsis.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:14, Reply)

Hang on hang on hang on.
You say "no tits" like it's a good thing?
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:18, Reply)

It's dull, I'm really not bothered by seeing a pair of tits in the paper of some tart with a 'quote' by her on something political or scientific, using a vocab that I really doubt came from here.
"I think that the repocusions and revinance of the western occupation in Iraq will echo in the sands of time for centuries to come. I am most flustered by the indication that the war was under false pretences.... tee hee, and I got my tits out. tee hee".
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:27, Reply)

I wholeheartedly agree, I was TAKING THE PISS
a little bit. Breasts are great, but in print they're just not fulfilling their purpose. Their JIGGLY JIGGLY PURPOSE *
* I am aware that breasts are for the feeding of infant mammals
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

Oh, but they're always hilarious
"I think the ramifications of the removal of the requirement to be impartial in news coverage in the USA have been demonstrably negative, and this weeks events prove it to us once again. I like glitter!"

Except, this being The Sun, they would never think what I just said.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:34, Reply)

The Grauniad never spell correctly
Hence the nickname.

(Yes Prime Minister, both the series and the recent stage show pick up on this in a very funny way).
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:21, Reply)

So do ISIHAC

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:24, Reply)

What do you think of Jack Dee?
He's good, but not Humph...
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)

glad you posted that
I couldn't for the life of me work out what ISIHAC was

seems obvious now
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:38, Reply)

He's good, certainly the natural progression for the show
But as you say, no Humph.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:41, Reply)

does he do his pretend moody thing?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:45, Reply)

Not so much, no
He's still a bit deadpan though.

He's good, and I'm glad it continued after Humph's death.
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:54, Reply)