haha.
perhaps I am. Why is a shit argument? it's no less shit than the only counter point, which is "we should know better because we're more evolved - we don't HAVE to kill and eat things" which is the worst kind of pseudo-scientific horseshit.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:37, 1 reply, 14 years ago)

it's shit because "it's natural innit?"
covers all sorts of undesirable stuff like infant mortality and dying of things easily curable by artificial means. Our dams are as 'natural' as beaver dams, anything we choose to do is 'natural'. We can choose to keep doing things the way we have been doing them in the past or do them differently.

people on both sides wheel out this tired and pointless argument to slag off anything they disagree with that has any component of choice.

Also stop with the shitty straw-man arguments, I'm not biting.

You get annoyed by shit reporting or stats, I get annoyed my shit arguments from people who have every appearance of knowing better.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:44, Reply)

I agree with all of the first sentence.
what I am asking, and I think the point you've missed, is why "not eating meat" as a mark of progress is "better". All the other things you mention improve our quailty of life or the environment. How does not eating meat improve either? I can see aggressive farming of animals as bad (although the only alternative is intensive crop farming which is just as bad) ... but how does that translate to just simply eating meat being bad?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:48, Reply)

I don't argue that it's progress.
I'm not sure anyone has. I suppose one could argue that it's morral progress in as far as not killing unless you need to.

This raises the question about whether killing an animal has any moral ramifications.

I'd argue not many if it's done cleanly (which is very rare), but it's not something I have a taste for personally, too much empathy I guess.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:07, Reply)

I suspect, if we got into moral ramifications of killing animals for food
we'd all get tied up in anthromophicism and that kind of shit. I might need to go back to kittums.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:19, Reply)

Indeed.
A good conversation over a pint sometime perhaps. do you ever make it to bashes?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:24, Reply)

not for a while, but sounds like a plan.
beer can rectify all issues. Eventually. If you apply enough beer.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:30, Reply)

Some conversations are better over a pint and when you can tell if and when the other person is joking.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:33, Reply)

Unless you are autistic

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:39, Reply)

Mildly aspie at best
although I cannot speak for badger.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:44, Reply)