Something that came up in the last thread that I thought was worth a looking at in more detail.
There was a comment about being forced into criminality by stupid laws. While I agree the law in question is stupid, can one mortally justify choosing to break certain laws while defending the overall framework of law?

Actually it seems that we all do this to a greater or lesser extent, but all also believe that the rule of law is a good thing to a greater or lesser extent, but my question is how can this be justified?

Is it just that we don't follow laws because they are laws, but because they are laws but merely because they coincide with what we'd choose to do anyway?

Do we only break the ones we think we can get away with but fear of punishment keeps us mostly honest? If this is true can we claim any moral high ground at all?

I'm asking about You BTW, not what you think other people do, or why because you're probably wrong.

Alt: Does anyone not thing Semi-detached is FreeFair? Show your workings.

Alt Alt: talk about lunch if you must.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:14, 184 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

which question am I supposed to answer?

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:15, Reply)

All or any, as pleases you.
I suppose the main one is the first one, the rest are supplementary.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:17, Reply)

sorry
decided against contributing to this one.

Thanks anyway
(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:18, Reply)

Have I ever thanked you for your valuable and well thought out, not to say entirely unpredictable, input on this board?

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:19, Reply)

Please, no more questions

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:28, Reply)

Please, no more answers

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:29, Reply)

Thanks, yes less questions

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:30, Reply)

Please, fewer grammatical errors.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:32, Reply)

Lunch takes priority obviously.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:25, Reply)

serious question is serious
lunch: subway vegetable wrap or dirty delicious burrito?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:18, Reply)

Dirty every time.
I had Vegan cake for breakfast, so, ethically, is evens out.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:20, Reply)

sidestepping other issues
why on earth does anyone think that vegetarianim/veganism is ethically sound? or at least, ethically better than the alternative?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:24, Reply)

Seriously?
I'm not touching that with a barge pole but there are reams of info on the web about it if you actually care. Start with the wikipedia artical if you want the basics. I'd also imagine it varies from person to person.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:26, Reply)

damn.
I was hoping for some good banter. Why the fuck would I read what utter tools on the internet write? I've got you lot for that.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:29, Reply)

Ahh, as I expected, looking for a fight rather than information.
Sorry, I'm a very lax veggie and I don't preach, for me the reason is because I want to.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:33, Reply)

I am genuinely interested, not looking for a fight
but I realise it's a pointless minefield because it really depends on whay people mean by the "ethics" of it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:35, Reply)

If you are genuinely interested there are better places to find out
not least because Swipe, Blousie and myself are atypical vegetarians. There are also a ton of different answers, some of the basics outlined here. Personally I wish both sides would stop sniping and jus eat what they want to.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:47, Reply)

^this

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:48, Reply)

I'm not sniping. I've asked to a genuine answer to something that confuses me.
You seem to think I'm doing this for the lolz.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:51, Reply)

Maybe vegans think that we've reached a moral and technological point where killing something to eat is not necessary anymore.
We can live without meat quite successfully.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:01, Reply)

when we evolve to be able to digest cellulose, hemicellulose and lignin
that might be true. Although, granted, the major driving factor for that would be consumption of them, so you've got a fair point
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:15, Reply)

I'm just guessing tbh.
I'm more against something suffering for my consumption.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:17, Reply)

You've admitted to baiting, but OK.
Personally, my reasons are a combination of what Beej says about farming practices, combined with being unwilling to kill anything personally, so I find it morally consistent not to eat it. I would kill and or eat animals if I needed to, hell I'd kill and or eat you if I needed to, but I don't, so I don't. There are other reasons and Its not all clear in my head yet, but that's thr thrust of it for me.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:03, Reply)

Nah, I was referring to if I ever abuse vegetarianism on here
that's me baiting. I'm not abusing any choice at all in this instance, it's the ultimate expression of the ethics I don't understand.

I understand your reasons as you personal decisions, of course, I guess I'm thinking more of a "group ethic" thing as to why human society thinks it matters why eating meat is something should be stopped if not necessary, but happily continues with other practices which are vastly more harmful and equally as unnecessary without a second's thought. But, like you, I haven't fully thought this through, I just wondered what people thought.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:13, Reply)

because humans, in groups, are morons basically.
once you accept this you'll find the world less confusing.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:22, Reply)

Oh I know this. I'm a University lecturer, remember?
I wonder why they are so selectively moronic though.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:29, Reply)

Human nature, innit?
Also, being a lecturer you get to meet the 'clever ones', just think the average, voting, prole is a good whack less bright that most people you interact with.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:32, Reply)

They don't snipe all the animals, bolt guns usuallu
And big fat swords for halal
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:01, Reply)

A middling county cricket side pretty good in the 90's?

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:14, Reply)

Personally I became a vegetarian not because I thought eating meat was bad but because of the terrible way they were treated in being farmed.
This was about twenty years ago and it has changed a bit but I really don't miss red meat and therefore don't bother buying free range.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:34, Reply)

I completely accept this as an choice
it's the idea that not eating meat at all is more ethical that confuses me.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:45, Reply)

If you'r basing that on my vegan cake comment is was what we in the industry call a joke.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:47, Reply)

not at all
I realised that. I just thought I'd try and add another serious discussion to the thread.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:49, Reply)

Quite right, there weren't nearly enough questions in the start of this thread.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:56, Reply)

I have rather totally realised my error, here.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:56, Reply)

I dunno, you've sparked off more debate in your sub-thread than in the main.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:10, Reply)

i don't know
as i am a vegetarian purely on the grounds of being fussy, albeit that if i had to kill anything, i would cry and be so traumatised it's untrue.

but i suspect it is because people who actually have principLES don't agree with killing animals for human consumption.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:27, Reply)

why? it's fundamentally how nature works.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:29, Reply)

i don't know, do i?
i just said i don't have any morals! maybe they object to all the farmers, farm workers, butchers, slaugherhouse staff, packers, wrappers, truckers, supermarket and other shop staff, chefs etc having jobs as a consequence?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:33, Reply)

Oh come on that's a shit argument about anything.
and you know it, unless you are a lot less bright than I had you pegged for.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:35, Reply)

haha.
perhaps I am. Why is a shit argument? it's no less shit than the only counter point, which is "we should know better because we're more evolved - we don't HAVE to kill and eat things" which is the worst kind of pseudo-scientific horseshit.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:37, Reply)

it's shit because "it's natural innit?"
covers all sorts of undesirable stuff like infant mortality and dying of things easily curable by artificial means. Our dams are as 'natural' as beaver dams, anything we choose to do is 'natural'. We can choose to keep doing things the way we have been doing them in the past or do them differently.

people on both sides wheel out this tired and pointless argument to slag off anything they disagree with that has any component of choice.

Also stop with the shitty straw-man arguments, I'm not biting.

You get annoyed by shit reporting or stats, I get annoyed my shit arguments from people who have every appearance of knowing better.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:44, Reply)

I agree with all of the first sentence.
what I am asking, and I think the point you've missed, is why "not eating meat" as a mark of progress is "better". All the other things you mention improve our quailty of life or the environment. How does not eating meat improve either? I can see aggressive farming of animals as bad (although the only alternative is intensive crop farming which is just as bad) ... but how does that translate to just simply eating meat being bad?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:48, Reply)

I don't argue that it's progress.
I'm not sure anyone has. I suppose one could argue that it's morral progress in as far as not killing unless you need to.

This raises the question about whether killing an animal has any moral ramifications.

I'd argue not many if it's done cleanly (which is very rare), but it's not something I have a taste for personally, too much empathy I guess.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:07, Reply)

I suspect, if we got into moral ramifications of killing animals for food
we'd all get tied up in anthromophicism and that kind of shit. I might need to go back to kittums.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:19, Reply)

Indeed.
A good conversation over a pint sometime perhaps. do you ever make it to bashes?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:24, Reply)

not for a while, but sounds like a plan.
beer can rectify all issues. Eventually. If you apply enough beer.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:30, Reply)

Some conversations are better over a pint and when you can tell if and when the other person is joking.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:33, Reply)

Unless you are autistic

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:39, Reply)

Mildly aspie at best
although I cannot speak for badger.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:44, Reply)

Sidestepping your question
Why do omnivores care so much about what vegetarians eat?
The cliché used to be about sanctimonious carrot-munchers evangelically preaching about the evils of meat-eating to a disinterested world. But the reality is a load of constipated people banging on about how you should EAT MEAT YOU WEAKLING!!
Just an observation.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:38, Reply)

I don't know the answer to that
I personally really don't care, unless I'm baiting for comic effect.

Well, except vegans obviously.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:40, Reply)

Speaking as a vegetarian
Even I think that vegans are cunts.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:42, Reply)

This^
sanctimonious ones at that.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:48, Reply)

I believe the only appropriate response to this must be:
YOUR MUM LOL!!!11!!
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:22, Reply)

He should open up about his mum abit more

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:24, Reply)

Is she worth a go, that kindof stuff

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:25, Reply)

about
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:20, Reply)

Silly me, hoping for an intelligent discussion.
It interested me because I have no clue what the answer is. I too break laws I don't agree with, while simultaneously getting annoyed at others for breaking the ones they don't agree with when I should either not be breaking them or not be getting angry, but still I do.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:25, Reply)

It is quite interesting
however b3ta at lunchtime is not going to fly for intelligent debate, I fear.

NYOMMMY CAKE etc.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:26, Reply)

I'm sorry but my OH WOE IS ME, I'M CURSED BY THE GODS, WITH THIS STINKING COLDeritus has really zapped my concentration.
At first I thought it was just monty before, but this is like the 10th thread/message/thinggy where I get a block when trying to read whats happening.

I've had 4 cups of twinnings tea today already, and it's helping me ride the storm like the girl on the advert, and I will get through this; I've gotten through worst, and came out winning. I think for lunch I'm going to go for soup from the chinese again, I got a feeling I'll be having a lot of that over the next few days.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:24, Reply)

He wants you to justify exactly why you are such a law-breaking scrote.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:28, Reply)

Oh, I'm not, not really, I guess I've lied to doctors to get drugs in the past, and I've consumed a fair bit of unlisanced media.
And there was that time when Paros came over after school and gave me super skunk and I got stuck to the chair for 9 hours.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:33, Reply)

I can't believe it's been hours and no one has asked about my date yesterday.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:26, Reply)

How was your date yesterday, superstud?

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:27, Reply)

She cancelled to go food shopping.
Then emailed me this morning to tell me she didn't go food shopping, just stayed in and watched TV and washed her hair. I didn't reply.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:29, Reply)

Gutted

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:29, Reply)

Bitches b trippin

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:30, Reply)

Bet she fitted in fucking someone else as well

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:30, Reply)

At least she ain't rubbed your face in over that

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:31, Reply)

yet

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:32, Reply)

She'll post on facebook about what a great cook 'Roberto' turned out to be last night

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:34, Reply)

Still early innit.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:33, Reply)

hahaha!
that's the saddest tale I've heard in a while
(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:29, Reply)

I know rite.
If this had happened to someone else, I would be having a field day.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:32, Reply)

much as i do think you are the shallowest cock ever
even i have to have some sympathy for this. worst blow-out ever.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:30, Reply)

hahahahahahahahahaha

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:30, Reply)

Haha, oh man, that sucks.
I know you considered it a date, but did she?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:34, Reply)

Obviously not, I wasn't sure it was a date,
still I wouldn't even do that to a male friend.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:35, Reply)

Did she slip up when she told you she stayed in an washed her hair?
Or did she email you in a "Actually, you know what, I didn't even go shopping, I lied." way?
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:34, Reply)

It was either a sort of apology, "I had a crap night yesterday"
or she's totally oblivious, I have no idea.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:36, Reply)

Ah well, sod that then.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:38, Reply)

I think that's the correct course of action.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:40, Reply)

You have my sympathy as another singleton.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:51, Reply)

Bad luck chomps

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:04, Reply)

We're waiting for the police report on it

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:27, Reply)

I'd like to break some archaic laws, and see what would happen.
I think motor vehicles must travel at something like 3mph, and have a guy walk in front with a red flag. Able bodied men must practice archery on the village green on a Sunday afternoon. And my fave, pregnant women can piss in a copper's hat. If I was a girly, I 'd definitely have fun with the last one.
These may be FOAF/urban myth territory BTW.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:27, Reply)

I tried to get my wife to ask a copper if she could piss in his hat when she was pregnant.
She refused & told me to grow up. Gutted.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:30, Reply)

You've married the wrong woman.
Just saying.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:42, Reply)

Nah. She's just not as puerile as me.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:01, Reply)

Can you still shoot a Welshman with a bow and arrow in the streets of Canterbury?
If so do that one.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:31, Reply)

In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:33, Reply)

Near enough.
Someone, other than me, should do it, if only to get it off the books.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:37, Reply)

Do you see many Scotsmen with bows and arrows in York then?

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:15, Reply)

I think that's still on the statutes, yeah.

(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:33, Reply)

What about some more modern laws
Like the Equality Act 2010, for example?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:53, Reply)

HAHA!

(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:58, Reply)

It's a mixture of using your common sense and bravado.
Small petty rules are there for taking a risk with if you feel inclined.

I often walk on the grass.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:42, Reply)

You drive a Beemer
This means you break traffics laws by default.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:52, Reply)

Pfft! it's old and classy like me.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:53, Reply)

Don't you mean sturdy and efficient?

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:59, Reply)

That too.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:01, Reply)

Do you have a little White torch stuck in an inconvenient place?

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:05, Reply)

Only when I'm lucky.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:06, Reply)

*resists temptation to make a comparison between BGB & car along the lines of pipes needing cleaning, plenty of miles on the clock etc.*

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:00, Reply)

Close.
If you drive a large German car it means the Highway Code does not apply to you.

Only inferior engined road users.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:01, Reply)

I am a good driver.
Truefact!
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:02, Reply)

Wimmin drivers
It's cute when you try to do man things.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:09, Reply)

I couldn't be cute if I wore bunny ears and recited the girl scouts code in a squeeky voice.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:11, Reply)

I'm not entirely convinced anyone could pull that off actually.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:13, Reply)

But you are all so adorable
with your driving and your voting and your "jobs". Bless you all.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:13, Reply)

You missed a set of quotation marks around "driving" too...

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:14, Reply)

True.
On Sunday I was behind a woman on a roundabout and she was on the phone and trying to smack one of her Heinz 57 progeny in the back at the same time. How I laughed as she rolled into plastic arrow on the exit traffic island and stalled her car to a halt.

Shouldn't be allowed to play with the men's magic.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:19, Reply)

Pfft! just you wait till I start dreaming tonight.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:17, Reply)

They say a woman's work is never done.
Which is why you get paid less.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:19, Reply)

Tl:dr so I wil answer made up questions.
Red
Ice hockey
Ninjas
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:58, Reply)

I disagree about ninjas
but I don't tell them that
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:33, Reply)

Ninjas are fucking gay.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:35, Reply)

pirates are where it's at
underwater steampunk ones
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:35, Reply)

Agreed
Not sure about underwater, but I'll await pictorial evidence to the contrary.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:37, Reply)

to be honest
we're just off to a steampunk evening where everyone else will be just wearing victorianish clothes and cogs, but we're larpers so we've made up a back story and everything
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:39, Reply)

I met a bunch of steampunk-ers at MCM last year.
I didn't have a fucking clue what they were on about. I also found out after the event that one of them was Robert Rankin. How was I supposed to know?
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:41, Reply)

Good for you. Keep it up.
The lack of effort is one thing that puts me off steam punk, also the lack of punk.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:42, Reply)

^this
I quite like steampunk but I'm too old to start joining youth cultures now.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:44, Reply)

the one we're going to is mostly
my generation and older
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:45, Reply)

I just likes a bit of raggedy punk edge.
When I say "gothing up for Halloween" BTW there's probably as much punk in there.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:46, Reply)

Did you roll dice to generate your characters?

(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:42, Reply)

no
that's for table top role play, dur!
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:45, Reply)

Government rules because we let it
laws are a solidification of a social contract. I will only break the law if I think the law is unjustified and not a useful part of that social contract.

But FUCK THAT! I think I just agreed to buy a FUCKING HOUSE! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:31, Reply)

Right on Comrade, well said.
Is is defensible?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:34, Reply)

kind of
It's kind of lower than the road, so I think I could fortify around it. It's not as high up as the one I'm at now, so I am giving up that advantage, but I might actually be able to get out when it snows
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:37, Reply)

This confused the hell out of me
because even as a deliberate misunderstanding of 'is it defensible' it made no sense.

And then I realsied you had agreed to buy a house, not a horse.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:39, Reply)

Wake up petal.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:41, Reply)

It's work's fault,.
I'm busy this week, so I'm skim reading and dipping in and out. That and apparently I can't fucking read.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:42, Reply)

* stern look*
Well I guess you know what you are doing but be careful and make sure you have adequate supplies. I Am legend is pretty good reading on thins kind of thing BTW, although it's a bit vampire focussed.

Is it otherwise nice?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:40, Reply)

I've read that.
It's nice and big, but needs some decorating, although its no worse than places I've rented. Oh and I want to put a bath in. I like baths
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:41, Reply)

That'll be a nice change
from having to wash in a nearby stream, but are you not worried the other Welshies will get scared and burn you at the stake?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:43, Reply)

it's possible
but I can keep a secret. They will just think I naturally smell of roses
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:46, Reply)

you are a girl
so this is natural.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:46, Reply)

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I fitted a new door handle last night. Get me and my handy skillz.

I did however, fit it the wrong way round at first and had to unscrew it all and start again.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:37, Reply)

good work
next stop; world domination
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:39, Reply)

Hahahahahahahaha!
Such skillz.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:07, Reply)