Yey, lets have that argument again
badger always wins by claiming we'd all die of dehydration
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:37, 2 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

yeah, because you can't buy any of the stuff we don't produce with the huge stacks of cash that we do....

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:39, Reply)

Only if people choose to sell it to you at a fair price
See: California.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:41, Reply)

lol. yeah engerland is well rich.
what, with its full employment in the north, natural resources, modern transit system and infrastructure, strong economy and low debt ratio.
well sorted.
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:42, Reply)

strong manufacturing base, competitive export sector
mining, heavy industry, strong financial sector...
it's a paradise!
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:44, Reply)

I was totally talking about London, not engerland
the Ghastly North can fuck right off.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:47, Reply)

pffft. so you import everything and export.......
wow. good luck with that!
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:55, Reply)

oh good greif
www.b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post1770325

Although this does make me think of places like Monaco that seem to do quite well on Money alone.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:57, Reply)

Monaco gets away with it by being really, really small and really, really, really rich
So can survive buying utilities from elsewhere if you don't need much of them. So, you could probably, I dunno, make a small part of westminster independent and have it work, but you'd have to deport anyone with a personal fortune less than about 3 or 4 million.

Monaco has little tax but then has no government support or facilites, you pay directly and extortionately for absolutely everything from school to rubbish collection as far as I'm aware.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:08, Reply)

You'd struggle to maintain your population on food imports alone.
Especially without any docks anymore.
( Kroney, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:48, Reply)

I don't think I win.
But it's still a more valid point than fucking idiots like Boris realise. See: California.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:40, Reply)

what's wrong in california?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:42, Reply)

Everything.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:47, Reply)

about 20 years ago
California made the decision that it didn't need to have any power generataion to replace its aging powerplants, because they could buy electricity from neighbouring states.

This was fine until the contracts in place expired, and the neighbouring states upped the prices. California couldn't afford to pay (the debts run up then are at least a little bit responsible for the bankrupcy of several Californian towns in recent times as well) and was forced to implement a series of rolling blackouts across major cities at peak periods whilst flinging billions at a rapid program of construction of power generation facilites when they realised what an epic fucking arse they'd made of it. It's only just back under control recently.

Moral of the story. Money isn't enough. Especially when the money comes from about 3 economic areas only. You need a balanced economy with stable basic resource sources, utilities and infrastructure. I think Scottish independence is a fucking idiotic idea, but compared to London being independent? it's the best, safest plan ever.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:51, Reply)

I say let them all have their independence
and entirely cut them off from any help. If they survive, good for them.
( Kroney, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:52, Reply)

yes, this would be quite funny.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:55, Reply)

This is a good and well reasoned point
May I just make it clear (and it is depressing how often I have to do this) that I was not, in tact, being entirely serious.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:55, Reply)

I'm completely well aware of that.
What is genuinely worrying is that your Mayor hasn't thought of it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:56, Reply)

I say "your" - I'm also aware you'd personally happily see him in a bear pit, but, y'know. Your city, your choice.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:57, Reply)

cheers Badge.
point taken.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:59, Reply)

yeah, well, he's a fuckwit, innit
we never even got to choose if we had one in the first p-lace and now the choice seems to be between Ken and Boris, both cunts.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:58, Reply)

Oddly, we're currently presented with a "double-cunt conundrum" at national level, too.
Well, Milliband isn't exactly a cunt but he's utterly unelectable.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:09, Reply)

triple, if you count Cleggy.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:18, Reply)