And yes, just as I hit 'post this message'
I realised that there's a massive clue in the title 'Jerry Springer: The Opera' as to why it's not a valid counter point to 'all musicals are shit'.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:39, 2 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

I suspect that most opera is not great either, but it is not something I have listened to a great deal of.
It gets away with a lot by being in Italian or German though.
Have you ever heard English operas?
Oh my god the libretti are dreadful.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:42, Reply)

Opera is a heap of 'emperor's new clothes' shit.
Fucking Italian peasant entertainment with 'plots' as shit as Shakespeare's comedies and that fucking dismal bellowing.

It's shit. Wagner excepted.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:45, Reply)

You know he was deeply ashamed of his association with your heroes?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:46, Reply)

Right Said Fred?

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:47, Reply)

Se'sly?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:51, Reply)

Nazilolz aside I don't mind old Waggers.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:53, Reply)

Well, Jerry Springer wasn't in Hindi...

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:45, Reply)

I meant proper operas
and also I'm not really paying attention.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:49, Reply)

It is a proper opera, just a modern proper opera.
I want to keep saying the phrase 'proper opera' now.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:51, Reply)

Some say that only the Italians did opera properly.
So consider 'proper wop opera'
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:53, Reply)

I like the one about the Roman Burger King
Proper Wop Whopper Opera.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:55, Reply)

Nah, that's just silly.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:01, Reply)

I should very much like to hear Jonathan Ross say that.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:57, Reply)

that his final goodbye as he draws a long agonising death rattle breath
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:59, Reply)

I just had a little office chuckle to myself trying to say that in Ross' voice.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:00, Reply)

where is the line drawn between opera and musical?

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:43, Reply)

At about the £200 a ticket mark.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:47, Reply)

If it's got music in it, and it's in a theatre, it is shit.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:51, Reply)