But you don't say give it a rest
you punish them as you would punish anyone else who violently attacks anyone. I shouldn't make any difference what group you come from. If I am attacked is the attacker going to get away with it because I am not a black, gay, transgender, goth, Jew
( Peej, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:55, 2 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Bloke in the warehouse next door punched my boss and called him a 'Jewish cunt'
The police's response was completely different (by their own admission) because of the word 'Jewish'. Punching someone and call them a 'cunt' isn't really much of an issue on its own, it seems.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:00, Reply)

It just jumps up the crime hierachy one notch.
Like the difference between giving someone your wallet when they threaten you (mugging) and them taking it off you while threatening you (robbery)
(PsychoChomp, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:05, Reply)

Just because their response was different doesn't mean that it wouldn't otherwise have been an issue.
I assume the difference with a 'hate crime' is that the perpetrator poses more of a general threat than say, someone who has punched their boss over a petty dispute at work or beats someone up for sleeping with their wife or whatever.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:06, Reply)

Yeah you only have one boss, but there are thousands of jews.

(PsychoChomp, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:07, Reply)

Actually I have two, but yes.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:09, Reply)

Nah they said they were obliged to attend in person within 20 mins if there was a 'race' element to it.
They can take their time if someone's gone mental and hit someone - provided they don't say any specific terms off a checklist written up by some handwringing Livingstone wanker.

'Fat cunt' - see you in a bit
'ginger freak cunt' - we aim to reply to your letter within 14 days
'paki' - NEE-NARR-NEE-NARR-NEE-NARR
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:10, Reply)

There's got to be a way to catergorise crimes and direct police to them based on the danger or consequences.
It's never going to be perfect, but I don't see your problem with it.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:12, Reply)

I don't like Jews.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:14, Reply)

10CC's Far right traZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

( hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:15, Reply)

The Boomtown Ratszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz surely?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:17, Reply)

Wonder if they'd attend quick if two white guys were fighting cos one had called the other a "nigger"

(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:12, Reply)

Or indeed two black guys
or a self hating Jew
( Peej, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:23, Reply)

Yeah this is a very good point
and will it lead to the victims of attacks attempting to press hate crime charges out of spite, claiming that the odd earring they were wearing identified them as a goth in the eyes of the attacker, etc.

Nonetheless - people are entitled to not feel threatened based on their appearance. And we both know that the main reason why, if you were attacked, the assailants might get away with it is because they probably won't get caught. If they were, they'd get a decent amount of CS hours despite your non-minority status.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:02, Reply)

The point is that people are entitled not to feel threatened,
regardless of the specifics of the threat, surely?

Why should some rhinestoned screamo spacker get different treatment from a fattie or a ranga?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:06, Reply)

No offence, like.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:06, Reply)

Oh, none taken
I'll be alright anyway I'm fucking nails mate

Obviously you're right, the laws are being adjusted to greater protect those who feel they're discriminated against more. Which obviously opens up the question, are rhinestoned screamo spackers actually getting more kickings per capita than normals, or are they just making more of a fuss because they feel they're being discriminated against?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:14, Reply)

Someone will claim they've been attacked for being a 'chav' I expect.
That's kind of a youth subculture isn't it?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:19, Reply)

I like to think that if a bunch of goths, famously the weediest of all subcultures, kicked shit out of a chav
the police would give them a round of applause once they'd finished laughing, but you're right, that's the logical endgame; EVERYTHING is a hate crime and we're back to square one.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:25, Reply)

Where does it end though
Currently Furries are not covered by hate crime laws
( Peej, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:07, Reply)

Yeah I'm with you on this
I made the point below in fact
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:13, Reply)