the firm that own the building have asked for a 20% hike in rent.
The owners are about retirement age and have just decided enough is enough. Won pub of the year 3 times and is one of the best ale houses in Oxford. real loss.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Sat 24 Jan 2015, 17:54, 1 reply, 10 years ago)

fucking property speculation is going to fuck up everything decent about everything

(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:01, Reply)

plus pubs

( d.r._and_quinch when will you be famous?, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:06, Reply)

I love pubs.
Pubs have beer and beer is great.
(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:07, Reply)

pinko

(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:06, Reply)

Or you could say that it's creating a sustainable level
9 years ago when I moved here there were ten pubs within ten minutes walk - now there are three, and one is pretty much doomed.

We can't be nostalgic - drinking habits are changing.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:08, Reply)

I agree, wp made broadly the same comment to me re camra. Trying desperately to keep every pub open, even though many are fucked.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:10, Reply)

pub of the year three times running?
we're not talking about trimming off the crap

we're talking about a property market that is warping the economy and turning perfectly successful enterprises into potential sites for shitty lego townhouse developments
(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:14, Reply)

I'll ignore the comment below
And say that that's shit. But awards, acclamation and appreciation don't win leases.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:17, Reply)

... because we have a property market that rewards speculation and punishes successful enterprise
Thanks for agreeing with me.
(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:18, Reply)

I deal with a few pub conversions
My old local went to a conversion.

Do you want me to keep all pubs open?
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:22, Reply)

mnnnnnnng

(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:23, Reply)

Yes.
What are you asking here - perhaps vowels would help.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:26, Reply)

soz ... can't be arsed spelling simple stuff out to people who can't read

(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:27, Reply)

Good lad
Keep it up.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:33, Reply)

Unfortunately pubs will, the same as a lot of businesses. The days of a boozer on every corner well and truly fucked off years ago.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:36, Reply)

in general, bad pubs should close, but in this case, it was a great pub fucked by property speculation.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:40, Reply)

dunno why this concept is causing so much confusion, wp
I blame the decline of pub drinking
(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:14, Reply)

Why is there a decline in pub drinking?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:21, Reply)

in no particular order
cost, time, transport, cheap supermarket booze, less manual workers going the pub on way home from work,cost.
(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:25, Reply)

The cheap supermarket booze thing is debatable. A bottle of cheap tramp cuder will get you hammered, sure, but there isn't anything sociable about it.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:29, Reply)

there is a yawning chasm
between those who drink to get drunk, and those who drink to enjoy the particular drink of their choice. Either way though the drink will nearly always be cheaper in a supermarket than a pub. Here's a thought though, if there wasn't such a frankly offensive markup on soft drinks in pubs and bars maybe you'd get more punters through the doors, bringing their alchohol drinking mates with them - why does Coke cost more than lager when it has no alcohol duty on it? Some pubs have done free soft drinks for designated drivers, maybe that's a clue as to the way forward.
(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:36, Reply)

Our cheapest soft drink is a soda and cordial, 50p. I think that's reasonable. Having ten or so asking for a glass of water each, free, because they're "here to watch the band", is taking the piss. Swings both ways.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:42, Reply)

indeed
and I applaud you for that, as I've never in ages seen a pub with a soft drink under £1, even for a half.
(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:59, Reply)

because people are fat, dull, shut-ins

(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:25, Reply)

IRONY CHK PLS DOZER

(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:27, Reply)

Camra are a nasty little bunch of tossers, who broker bent deals with knobber licencees for their accolades and awards.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:19, Reply)

+ fat, bearded and old

(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:24, Reply)

I have no problem with their looks. Just their corporate values, and personal behaviour.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:34, Reply)

Don't know what specific pub you're referring to sorry?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:17, Reply)

the one three posts up that started this conversation
there's excellent treatment for dementia and memory loss these days, you know
(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:19, Reply)

I'd rather a specific name sorry.
And pub of the year from?
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:28, Reply)

as in, the pub that's closing was oxford town pub of the year 2009
And again 2 other years, I think 11 and 13.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:39, Reply)

www.maddingcrowd.co.uk/
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:53, Reply)

not far from it

(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:57, Reply)

that's him.
Was it there in your time in Oxford?
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:41, Reply)

Never lived in Oxford, just spent time there with mates that do. I recall going in there for a pint or 12.
Not a bad boozer.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 19:45, Reply)

if you'll indulge me for a moment so that I can go into some detail about the holes in your argument ... *ahem*
Fuck off, you dull shut-in cunt.
(old man river possible lesbian, Sat 24 Jan 2015, 18:11, Reply)