I typed from what I heard of the news, without getting the wording exactly right.
It's still too fucking high. Any group of people that can imagine sympathies with people that killed cartoonists and admit them to a poll have a serious philosophical/moral problem.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:44, 1 reply, 11 years ago)

Sympathising with the motives is very different to believing that what they did was justifiable.

( Muns, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:49, Reply)

Typical Muzza

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:50, Reply)

Ok how about the other question:
do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
"Acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet Mohammad can never be justified"

Agree: (684) 68%
Disagree: (244) 24%

So yes it is very different, 3% different.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:53, Reply)

That's acts of violence, not cold blooded murder.
If they asked specifically if the acts carried out by the killers were justified in their entirety, you'd be looking at a much smaller percentage.
( Muns, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:56, Reply)

Yes, also if you asked them if they were going to join ISIS within the next 10 minutes you'd see a smaller percentage.
I don't see how changing the wording or context of these questions changes the fact that a high level of muslims surveyed gave answers which I (correctly) think are morally shitty.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:05, Reply)

The phrasing of a question and the context that you ask it in will make a great deal of difference to the outcomes.
You can get people to agree to anything, as long as you ask the question in the right way.
( Muns, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:10, Reply)

Yes and that was phrased in a perfectly normal way following questionaire design best practices.
Still 24% of people asked a neutral question about violence in response to a religious insult can justify it. Too high, so there's something wrong with British Islam. I'm not saying that Islam is wrong, or they don't have justifiable grievances with society, I am saying that everyone should look at this and go, "fuck" rather than ignoring it out of misplaced respect for their culture/religion.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:15, Reply)

Plenty of people from all walks of life have lines which if crossed they would feel violence was justifiable, governments, for example.
I personally have no misplaced respect for any religions and think that going "fuck" is often a perfectly valid response to all manner of abhorrent views.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:25, Reply)

You could easily find other groups that would give answers which you would think are morally shitty.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:12, Reply)

I know, I think the majority still believe in capital punishment.
That's logically irrelevant as it has no impact on this poll.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:17, Reply)

No direct impact, no, but it perhaps puts it in a perspective along the lines of "British Muslims probably as shitty as the general population"

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 14:22, Reply)

I think the key word in the question there is 'never' and it should be taken in the context of the responses to the other questions.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:57, Reply)