From my point of view
Climate change, if happening, is going in the wrong direction. There's a lot more rain now than when I was a kid (maybe because I grow up in Tenerife and I'm now in Manchester...)

No, really, climate change might be happening (there are no records from long enough to check this) but it might be part of the Earth cycles (remember all the ice age and exploding volcanos??)

About scientists being human, yes, that is true. It is true as well that if climate change is really due to the human action, in order to stop it we need to know what we're doing wrong; so scientists making us believe we're creating hell to make us change our habbits, without it been true, makes a big difference. The difference between scaring people to help the planet (and its people) or scaring people just to get some personal benefit (being recognition or money, I don't care)

They lie to us like this, scaring the shit out of us, and they want us to believe them again?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 2 Dec 2009, 7:56, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

Hang on a minute
You are a process engineer. Does that not mean you make science work for a useful purpose? You trust what they tell you because when you replicate it, and the process works, you have solid evidence that they are right.

In climate change there is insufficient evidence, and may never be until the last scientist croaks his last words, "I told you so."

Your task is to evaluate what you can see, and there are plenty of records going back hundreds of years showing what the climate was alike at different locations.

I personally do not remember the ice age, but I think I know it happened, because there seems to be evidence to substantiate it happening.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 2 Dec 2009, 8:14, Reply)

On the contrary
There's a shitload of evidence supporting global warming. It is happening, no question. It's part of the natural global cycles and in recent years the temperatures have been increasing more rapidly.

What there is doubt about is how much (if any) of it is a direct result of human activity. But the evidence is strongly in favour of anthropological effects.
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Wed 2 Dec 2009, 8:17, Reply)

I apologise for error
I meant evidence that human activity was primary cause
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 2 Dec 2009, 9:02, Reply)

Exactly
I believe it if it can be proved. And they can't prove it. They have no way to demonstrate that the climate change (if it's happening; this year is being colder than last) is our fault.

As I've said a lot of times already, I'm all for reducing or stoping the waste. Recycle and reuse. Don't take your car when you can walk or use public transport. Don't leave your lights on.

On the same manner, at work, I'm all for reducing emissions and design equipment as environmentaly friendly as possible.

I don't like people scaring me and using "scientific prove" that hasn't been proved to make me do things and act!! I don't like the blackmail!!
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 2 Dec 2009, 8:19, Reply)

Marry Me

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 2 Dec 2009, 8:26, Reply)

Oh, well
I'm sorry, I'm taken... But as I said before, if my bf doesn't propose soon I'll let you know.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 2 Dec 2009, 8:34, Reply)

I'll hold you to that
*makes note in diary*
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 2 Dec 2009, 8:44, Reply)

One year being cooler than the next proves nothing.
That'd be to confuse weather with climate.

Imagine a wavy line running left-to-right. Now tilt it, so the right end is higher than the left. It's still possible for point p on the x-axis to be higher on the y-axis than p+1, though the trend would still be for the values represented on the x-axis to be proporional to those on the y.


Apologies for lack of correct terminology. I hope you get the picture, though.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 2 Dec 2009, 10:50, Reply)