"I firmly believe that if the drive and fury applied to feminism had instead been lodged behind establishing equality for all, this world would be a much better place. "
That's the whole point of feminism: that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 31 Mar 2010, 9:05, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

Which offends me.
If equality was the whole point of feminism it would be called equality, surely? Everyone should have the same rights and opportunities as each other. Which kind of makes feminism redundant.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Wed 31 Mar 2010, 9:17, Reply)

But everyone DOESN'T have the same rights and opportunities so therefore feminism isn't redundant.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 31 Mar 2010, 9:21, Reply)

Exactly
(Having two daughters certainly makes me more sensitive to this issue). Girls have a rough time growing up in our society with all of the mixed messages they receive and expectations boys never have to deal with.

No one is equal (there are a LOT of people who are a whole lot smarter than me etc). I do see some basic differences between boys/men and girls/women however that can't be blamed completely on society. Due to bone structure, men usually have the capacity to become physically stronger then women (not always) and women seem to have higher resistance to disease (because they have to be healthy to have children and keep the species going?) but none of that means they should have different opportunities.

It used to be that school age boys were always better than school age girls in things like math. It is interesting however to see that in the US girls in some schools/regions have in many case caught up to and passed boys in math etc in school. This shows to me that a lot of why girls did worse in the past was due to socialization, not ability. Females now outnumber males in colleges/universities in the US and we are seeing more and more women entering the fields of engineering and science.

We are also seeing more women end up with stress related diseases as the move up in the business world.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 31 Mar 2010, 13:05, Reply)

No.
Everyone DOESN'T have the same rights and opportunities so therefore feminism isn't redundant

What? That has no relevance other than proving my point. Equality is the issue, feminism is simply sexualised equality. Which makes it inequal and ultimately divisive.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Wed 31 Mar 2010, 13:12, Reply)