Disagree here
a couple earning 15k each with kids and a mortgage aren't as well off as you may think.
( Peej, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 15:54, 2 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

A couple earning 15K each are on fucking badly paid jobs
and won't be able to afford anything like a decent standard of living.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:11, Reply)

Exactly
so cutting their tax credits and child benefit would be pretty shit.
( Peej, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:14, Reply)

Quite

(Bazongaloid, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:19, Reply)

Then
They shouldn't have kids. That's it. End of the story. Wait until you can give them what they need.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:21, Reply)

Oh please just fuck off with your stupid reactionary attitude
Society works when people help each other, if you throw everyone who needs help on the scrapheap you end up fucking yourself over.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:25, Reply)

I help them if they help themselves
As I said, if they prove they're trying to improve, get a better job or a job at all, then yes, we should help them. If they're doing nothing, money help is not help. It's making them lazy.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:34, Reply)

When my wife and I had our daughter our combined income was less than 30k
but our child has never gone without and we have given her everything she needs. Yes tax credits have helped and so has child benefit but seriously read what Al just said and presume I agree.
( Peej, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:42, Reply)

Well, you were under 30k, so no real discussion there
I agree help should be given when prove both parents are doing their best, but not in any other case.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:48, Reply)

yes but just under 30k
isn't much different to just over.
( Peej, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:57, Reply)