higher aspirations?
I'll remember that, next time I have to work in the summer. I won't do anything like clean or waitress, I'll wait until something that suits my talents becomes available.

Job creation is needed true. But more than that, there needs to be reforms where it is not made an option to simply live on benefits for your whole life. You can say cutting benefits doesn't work, but it'll make the people who are working to fund a lifestyle, happier about it
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:00, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

RIght
That's a stupid facetious response. If you are looking for a stop gap job between studies then you take a stop gap unskilled job. If however you have had a kid and are trying to get back into work and you have a degree but there aren't many jobs available in your preferred field then I'm saying you shouldn't force people into menial unskilled jobs just so a bunch of uninformed daily mail readers can feel better about themselves.

I did say welfare reform is required, but it's not going to actually solve the problem of long term unemployment on it's own.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:07, Reply)

not really it isn't
we both know, that frankly it's not the people with decent degrees who genuinely want to get back into work that are the problem.

It's the people with shit degrees from shit places who stayed in university to delay the inevitable, or those who don't have any qualifications at all, no desire to get any or indeed to get a job who are the drain.

Calling me a daily mail reader isn't solving anything or refuting any points. I've already stated that both job creation, and better management of apprenticeship programs and better support from school-to-work is necessary. But it's not going to do anything if you don't solve the problem of the real system drains- those who don't want to do anything unless they're forced into it
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:12, Reply)

I like the way you change verbs there
...If you want to take a gap...
...If you have a kid...

These days, 90% of the times you have a kid because you want or because you haven't been careful enough. Why do I have to pay for your errors or luxuries?

I wanted to have kids since I was 24, and here I am, at 30, no babies, because I couldn't afford them.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:19, Reply)

Why do I have to pay for your errors or luxuries?
Because in thirty five years time it will be those errors and luxuries that are supporting you, and whose taxes will be paying for your pension.
(Cave Duck, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:35, Reply)

I am not sure about that
And I hope for your own good that you are not relying on that and are paying for a good private pension.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:38, Reply)

It's not just pensions, who will pay for the NHS that the aging population will need?

(Cave Duck, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:49, Reply)

In that case
See Amberl's answer below.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:53, Reply)

It's a point that needs addressing
but if you read through the discussion, I think you'll find we're addressing more specifically the families who choose to live on welfare and bring their children up in the same way. I doubt they're going to be supporting anyone
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:40, Reply)

Fair point, I was speaking more generally.
However these children do exist. You and I are already "supporting them" by paying for their state education, social services, etc. Also supporting the children must at least give them the chance to become contributing members of society.
(Cave Duck, Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:54, Reply)

Yes
And we can't just cut all the benefits overnight, as they childs would be in trouble, rather than the parents. But the system needs to be modified to make sure that parents are trying to improve their and their kids lives.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:55, Reply)