Facetiousness aside
the America of today really doesn't bear any resemblance to that which was intended when the Declaration was signed.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:38, 2 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

yeah, no armed bears anywhere

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:39, Reply)

The whole nation bearing arms business
was intended because they didn't want an actual military. Too British, you see.

Edit: All sounds rather liberal, pinko and left-wing, when you read the Declaration Constitution. Yet it's the hard line Republicans that like to scream about anti-Americanism.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:40, Reply)

Oh, the irony!

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:43, Reply)

It's also interesting that when the constitution was written
very few people had guns as they were pretty much hand made and very expensive. There were also laws in various parts of the US allowing guns only to white male landowners.

There was clearly not the intention to make guns freely available to all as the NRA preaches. If we could capture the energy of all of the "founding fathers" spinning in their graves as they hear the right wing shit, we could solve all of our energy problems.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:59, Reply)

And the vast majority of you
were still frontiersmen under threat of attack from natives.

It's a case of letter-of-the-law versus spirit-in-which-it-was-written.

Also, you cancelled Firefly, you fuckers.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:02, Reply)

and Legend of the Seeker
does their madness know no bounds?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:03, Reply)

But the difference between the two
is that one of them's shit and the other's got Christina Hendrick in it.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:09, Reply)

Legend of the Seeker is entertaining enough
it is also chock full of stunningly gorgeous women
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:15, Reply)

Fuck me ragged, the NRA have a lot to answer for
The whole argument about needing a firearm to defend your own property is as inane as it is backward. Granted, if you live in a more rural community and are likely to need to fend off bears, you've good grounds for owning a shotgun.

But in urban environments? Look at it the other way round: if a man does break into your home, sure, you can't threaten him with a gun, but then at the same time he is far less likely to be carrying one if they're illegal and not readily available in the first place. Advantage: homeowner, due to knowing where all the sharp and/or heavy objects are in the property.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:04, Reply)

Oh I don't know.
'Straight Outta Compton' is quite good.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:06, Reply)

and Express Yourself

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:07, Reply)

Good point! But similarly, the Blues is a superb and hugely influential genre of music
Doesn't mean I'd condone black slavery for its sake.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:07, Reply)

Not solely for that reason, no.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:05, Reply)

I think the present right wing would have hated
most of the "founding fathers" as they call them especially Thomans Jefferson and Ben Franklin. They don't have to worry though as no one reads history anymore.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:48, Reply)

I suspect the feeling would be mutual
Today's America is very similar in outlook to the Britain of 250 years ago.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:49, Reply)

waaaaaaa

(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:53, Reply)