So, considering the latest election results in the US,
does the UK still take political refugees and do any of you have room in your basement (or attic) for me and my family?

Alternatively, what drugs will best help me to bend over and take it with a smile from our more right wing than ever government?

none of you are doing my mother 'cause she'd kick your ass if you tried
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:13, 77 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

The UK government is also comprised of right wing, anti-state, anti-spending, anti-people lunatics.
Don't go there.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:14, Reply)

Yeah but at least they believe in evolution.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:16, Reply)

The UK "far right" are closer to Obama than any of the modereate right in this country.
You just can't compete with the likes of Sarah Palin.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:19, Reply)

No, the UK far right are straightforward neo Nazis, but they aren't in parliament.
The UK government are trying to shrink the state by 40%. That's Palin country.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:20, Reply)

But are they trying to say they are
doing God's work? Seriously though, do the evangelical christians have anywhere near the power they are rapidly gaining here?
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:23, Reply)

Fortunately not
They tend to get laughed out of court on this side of the pond.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:24, Reply)

European politicians rarely talk openly about religion.
But christian conservatism is very common in Europe. Europe's largest political group was known as the Christian Democrats for years.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:25, Reply)

With the notable exception of certain Northern Irish and Polish parties.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:27, Reply)

But aren't they far left liberal socialist communists in the minds of our
evangelicals? I've never seen anything on the avaialble news of Europe about evngelicals in power like they are here. Just about any national politician now has to prove he/she is a member of a christian church to even get nominated. More and more, if you're not evngelical and "born again". you can't get elected.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:30, Reply)

I find that to be pretty abhorrent

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:34, Reply)

Especially for a nation that was supposedly founded on secular principles.

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:35, Reply)

and preaches about their free speech

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:35, Reply)

Quite.
Also could somebody please send the Republicans a dictionary containing accurate definitions of "Socialist" and "Communist," because they seem to be convinced that they're the same thing...
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:37, Reply)

in the past I have enjoyed trolling certain types of American based on the way they spit the word liberal

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:38, Reply)

You've got to hand it to the American Right
They've done a very good job of making 'liberal' synonymous with 'antichrist.'
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:39, Reply)

they get wound up if you explain to them other definitions

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:46, Reply)

Ironic, really, for residents of "the land of the free"...

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:50, Reply)

Try living with it 24-7

(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:36, Reply)

you have my sympathy

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:37, Reply)

Thank you,
now about that extra room in your basement??? I promise we will be quiet and not make any noise.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:43, Reply)

I don't really have much in the way of a basement
but you are welcome to try and live in the two foot gap beneath the floorboards in my living room and dining room
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:45, Reply)

just please spill a little water between the floor boards once in a while.

(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:54, Reply)

can do

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:54, Reply)

But by contrast, they're not trying to ban abortion or same-sex marriages
Which is a long way out of Palin country.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:23, Reply)

They aren't as mad on social issues, I'll grant that.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:26, Reply)

I think it's just important to keep things in perspective with these things
Our government doing something that, by coincidence, Palin also wants to do, doesn't necessarily make them "like Palin." There are plenty of other things they do or stand for which are very unlike Palin. Similarly, I may occasionally find myself agreeing with the view of a Tory politician, but that doesn't mean my views are 'typically Tory.'
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:34, Reply)

They are, on the other hand, typically massive poofter-like

(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:48, Reply)

Well, obviously I agree with the policy of reducing the sales tax on Cosmopolitans and Pina Coladas...

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:57, Reply)

It's not the landslide that was predicted was it?

(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:15, Reply)

No, the Dems still hold the Senate but in
some ways that is unfortunate as if the right held both houses, Obama could do what Clinton did and let them make complete idiots of themselves.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:21, Reply)

Somebody made an interesting point on radio 4 this morning
(And I apologise for explaining this poorly but I was half-asleep at the time)
But he was saying that, now the Republicans have more power, it may spur the Democrats to work a lot harder to push these reforms through, rather than trying to do it piecemeal and keep everyone happy, and so if Obama et al decide that they really do want to go for these reforms then this blow might actually work out for the best.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:22, Reply)

following all the fuss about Obama
has he actually achieved anything that most people over there don't disagree with?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:22, Reply)

If you talk to people about the specifics of legislation like the health bill,
they generally agree with things like not being able to kick someone off of his/her insurannce policy becasue they get sick.

The trouble is that the growing TV driven non-thinking population just watches right wing propaganda and votes they way they are told all the while parroting the bullshit they are fed. once people start to think a little.....

The right wing is very good at propaganda and verl little else except ennriching their already rich owners and putting the whole world in danger.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:27, Reply)

I do find it amazing that people can actually listen to the things the tea party are proposing
and not just think "You're clinically insane and not fit for public office"
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:30, Reply)

that's a problem not just in politics
people don't think enough.

I meant to mention this the other day in the wake of those bombs being found on cargo planes and proposals to increase security measures.

My view is this: no cargo planes have thus far been blown up by terrorists. Bombs have been found and disarmed. This leads me to think that the security measures as they are are just fine.

Ignoring the view that terrorism is the least of our worries at the moment.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:33, Reply)

You could just take the view that
the point of terrorism is to disrupt your life to make you change your ways to fit the terrorists ideal. So if you intentionally disrupt your life by adding more and more security so your way of life becomes untenable, you've played right into the terrorists hands.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:35, Reply)

I can admit it must be difficult for politicians to follow that through
but you are quite right
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:36, Reply)

Yes but the bombs weren't found because of security measures
they were found because a guy handed himself into the Saudis and they offered him a deal.
The bombs got on the planes undetected.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:35, Reply)

ah, I wasn't aware of that

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:37, Reply)

Yeah, they moved across
two seperate passenger flights before they were "discovered" on the cargo plane.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:41, Reply)

Do you therefore have any doubt about me
asking of the UK still takes politiical refugees??? Although once someone like Palin takes real power and holds the atomic button, the whole world will be blown up as these people don't wory about death and destruction as they think they the second coming is going to happen any day.

(One of the biggest sets of fiction in the US is the "end of days" fiction about the Apocalypse. People actually believe in this shit).
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:34, Reply)

End of days fiction? Sounds like a good sci-fi novel but I'm guessing it's not...

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:41, Reply)

Nope, They are pure christian right fiction
where the saved were lifted straight to heaven and the somewhat good are trying to fight evil and follow Christ as he kills all of Satan;s legions(or at least that is what I've been told,I won't read this stuff).
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:45, Reply)

You mean to say people in positions of power and authority are peddling this as though there's a shred of credibility in it?
I guess I'm not that surprised. People really can be fucking stupid sometimes. (And this is why I think people give Richard Dawkins an unecessarily hard time.)
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:49, Reply)

There is aparenlty a big debate amongst some evangelicals as to whether or not
they will ascend into heaven with or without their clothes when the rapture comes. (They believe their bodies will be physically lifted into heaven and some are really concerned they will be naked as clothes are human and only god's pure people will be allowed into heaven.)

And these guys have access to nuclear weapons!! Why are we worried about North Korea and Iran?
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:52, Reply)

*facepalms*
Some things just make me want to chew my own face off in despair, and this is one of them.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:55, Reply)

Michael Tolkin's film "The Rapture" is quite good. If that helps ar all.

(Cave Duck, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:24, Reply)

As long as it doesn't feature elves.

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:24, Reply)

I think this might help
whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:43, Reply)

I really didn't think that would be a real website

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:03, Reply)

I like it,
more websites like that I say.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:04, Reply)

Wish, command:
isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

www.isitchristmas.com/
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:09, Reply)

US history
is a long, slow descent into anarchy that started in 1776.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:30, Reply)

Facetiousness aside
the America of today really doesn't bear any resemblance to that which was intended when the Declaration was signed.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:38, Reply)

yeah, no armed bears anywhere

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:39, Reply)

The whole nation bearing arms business
was intended because they didn't want an actual military. Too British, you see.

Edit: All sounds rather liberal, pinko and left-wing, when you read the Declaration Constitution. Yet it's the hard line Republicans that like to scream about anti-Americanism.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:40, Reply)

Oh, the irony!

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:43, Reply)

It's also interesting that when the constitution was written
very few people had guns as they were pretty much hand made and very expensive. There were also laws in various parts of the US allowing guns only to white male landowners.

There was clearly not the intention to make guns freely available to all as the NRA preaches. If we could capture the energy of all of the "founding fathers" spinning in their graves as they hear the right wing shit, we could solve all of our energy problems.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:59, Reply)

And the vast majority of you
were still frontiersmen under threat of attack from natives.

It's a case of letter-of-the-law versus spirit-in-which-it-was-written.

Also, you cancelled Firefly, you fuckers.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:02, Reply)

and Legend of the Seeker
does their madness know no bounds?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:03, Reply)

But the difference between the two
is that one of them's shit and the other's got Christina Hendrick in it.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:09, Reply)

Legend of the Seeker is entertaining enough
it is also chock full of stunningly gorgeous women
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:15, Reply)

Fuck me ragged, the NRA have a lot to answer for
The whole argument about needing a firearm to defend your own property is as inane as it is backward. Granted, if you live in a more rural community and are likely to need to fend off bears, you've good grounds for owning a shotgun.

But in urban environments? Look at it the other way round: if a man does break into your home, sure, you can't threaten him with a gun, but then at the same time he is far less likely to be carrying one if they're illegal and not readily available in the first place. Advantage: homeowner, due to knowing where all the sharp and/or heavy objects are in the property.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:04, Reply)

Oh I don't know.
'Straight Outta Compton' is quite good.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:06, Reply)

and Express Yourself

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:07, Reply)

Good point! But similarly, the Blues is a superb and hugely influential genre of music
Doesn't mean I'd condone black slavery for its sake.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:07, Reply)

Not solely for that reason, no.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:05, Reply)

I think the present right wing would have hated
most of the "founding fathers" as they call them especially Thomans Jefferson and Ben Franklin. They don't have to worry though as no one reads history anymore.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:48, Reply)

I suspect the feeling would be mutual
Today's America is very similar in outlook to the Britain of 250 years ago.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:49, Reply)

waaaaaaa

(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 11:53, Reply)

I am a Nazi,
but I can get you the drugs you require.

In the words of the Small Faces, 'Whatcha Gonna Do About It'?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:05, Reply)

also in the words of the Small Faces
"we'll get high"
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:08, Reply)

Stanley Unwin on Ogden's Nut Gone Flake is the best guest vocal appearence on a record ever.
2nd is Magnus Pyke on Thomas Dolby's She Blinded Me With Science"
(Cave Duck, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:12, Reply)

it's actually Maynard Keenan from Tool
on Three Little Pigs by Green Jello.

Because he does a high pitched "not by the hairs on my chinny chin chin"
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:20, Reply)

get you the drugs you require.

In the words of the Small Faces, 'Whatcha Gonna Do About It'? 't get the trains to run on time.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:12, Reply)

You and your family can come and live with me.
But my house is probably the same size as your bathroom.
( girlinthehole, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:32, Reply)

Thnaks (our house isn't that big; no Mc-Mansion; only one bathroom, no swimming pool; no home theater;
no personal fitnness gym, no cable tv in every room (or anywhere for that matter), etc.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 12:56, Reply)